[RELz] tes3cmd, a small tool for modifying TES3 plugins : III - Morrowind

» Mon Aug 23, 2010 10:49 pm

However, the completely unchanged *interior* Cell "Caldera, Guild of Mages" was left in. It was cleaned of AMBI and WHGT settings, but the Cell itself remained. :shrug:
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In addtion, the Enchanted Editor complained that the number of records was mis-reported in the file header.

Oh, good catch, I should be able to fix those up.
Thanks for the testing!

» Mon Aug 23, 2010 3:58 pm

That does not sound like a good idea. I would recommend not cleaning the Bethesda masters. Also, that earlier version you used had some bugs, which are now fixed. The new version will now skip the Bethesda masters too. I recommend going back to the original versions of these files.

Well, I'm sorry to say but that's not a safe assumption until I announce it is ready for the general public.

You should never edit mlox_base.txt. Customizing load order can be done via mlox_user.txt, as explained in the documentation.

You can have the output go to a text file by using output redirection. It looks like this:
tes3cmd clean "my plugin.esp" > output.txt

Thank you for the quick reply. I didnt know we were "not" supposed to clean the "evil" GMSTs out of the base Tribunal & Bloodmoon esps...I always wondered why Testool always skipped those...now I know and thanks for the heads up on the mlox_user.txt....coming from oblivion and using boss, I just assumed I knew what I was doing instead of throughly reading the documentation on mlox. I will wait until you release a public version before I proceed with your program.

» Mon Aug 23, 2010 10:53 am

However, the completely unchanged *interior* Cell "Caldera, Guild of Mages" was left in. It was cleaned of AMBI and WHGT settings, but the Cell itself remained.
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In addtion, the Enchanted Editor complained that the number of records was mis-reported in the file header.

These should now be fixed in:
tes3cmd-0.37-2010.07.06e.7z
http://code.google.com/p/mlox/downloads/list

Hopefully, I'm fixing more things than breaking them

» Mon Aug 23, 2010 11:14 am

CLEANING: abotWaterLife.esm ... Cleaned redundant WHGT from CELL: Balmora, Dralasa Nithryon: PawnbrokerOutput saved in: "abotWaterLife.esm"Original backed up to: "abotWaterLife~1.esm"

It seems to work well :thumbsup:
Just a note for/if anybody having the same problem: I had the clean option of tes3cmd.exe not able to create output directory because I had a old tes3cmd (no extension) file in the same dir. I don't remember from where that file came, anyway deleting it solved the problem.

» Mon Aug 23, 2010 12:22 pm

CLEANING: abotWaterLife.esm ... Cleaned redundant WHGT from CELL: Balmora, Dralasa Nithryon: PawnbrokerOutput saved in: "abotWaterLife.esm"Original backed up to: "abotWaterLife~1.esm"

It seems to work well :thumbsup:
Just a note for/if anybody having the same problem: I had the clean option of tes3cmd.exe not able to create output directory because I had a old tes3cmd (no extension) file in the same dir. I don't remember from where that file came, anyway deleting it solved the problem.

Thanks for the feedback!

I'll see if I can make error messages more clear for how to recover (where possible).

» Mon Aug 23, 2010 5:52 pm

Another thing testing the clean option, I think it would be great to automatically skip "GMST Vaccine.esp" or similar (if any) known mods introducing dirty GMST on purpose.

» Mon Aug 23, 2010 11:04 pm

Another thing testing the clean option, I think it would be great to automatically skip "GMST Vaccine.esp" or similar (if any) known mods introducing dirty GMST on purpose.

Excellent suggestion. I'll put that in the next version I release (should be just a day or two for the next alpha).

Anybody else have a feature request? Now is a good time to submit it.

» Mon Aug 23, 2010 2:58 pm

Excellent suggestion. I'll put that in the next version I release (should be just a day or two for the next alpha).

Anybody else have a feature request? Now is a good time to submit it.

Thanks for the improvements j.m! :rock:
I've been checking out the betas here and there and the problems I've run into have already been reported and addressed so far - I'll try to do some more thorough tests, time permitting.

Functionality change/request:
* add a command line switch to remove the tes3cmd folder and dat files after program close, or redesign that as a temp directory that gets cleaned up after each session; probably better to make it a user choice since it does take a while to generate the dats.

» Mon Aug 23, 2010 10:11 pm

Functionality change/request:
* add a command line switch to remove the tes3cmd folder and dat files after program close, or redesign that as a temp directory that gets cleaned up after each session; probably better to make it a user choice since it does take a while to generate the dats.

I think what I'll do is add a --no-cache option for those folks who do not want cache files lying around. It will result in slower operation, of course.

» Mon Aug 23, 2010 3:02 pm

Downloaded, I prevaricated for ages and never installed Perl so a standalone EXE is nice. I'll have to check this out :-)

» Mon Aug 23, 2010 10:11 pm

Downloaded, I prevaricated for ages and never installed Perl so a standalone EXE is nice. I'll have to check this out :-)

Thanks! I look forward to any input you have.

For the curious, my current plans are to re-work all the command line options so that long-style options are used. This is to avoid problems I'm having keeping straight all the current single-letter switches in a seemingly ever-growing program. I'm also fleshing out the help documentation a bit more and re-working the underlying functions to streamline and reuse more code, now that I know what I'm doing (as if!).

When I think it's stable enough, I'll release it as 0.38, hopefully within a couple weeks.

» Mon Aug 23, 2010 1:57 pm

Is it possible to clean all plugins at once? If not, could that feature be added?

» Mon Aug 23, 2010 6:57 pm

Ah. Now that I don't need Perl I might actually start fiddling with this and visual basic to see if I can't come up with some sort of little GUI. If I get enough motivation and stop being lazy I might try something a little more OS-independent like Java for a gui.

» Tue Aug 24, 2010 12:10 am

Is it possible to clean all plugins at once? If not, could that feature be added?

Yes, it's already possible. One of the examples in the clean documentation shows how to clean all plugins in one directory.

Basically, you use wildcards: tes3cmd clean *.esm *.esp

Which means to clean all the files ending in .esm and .esp.

» Tue Aug 24, 2010 1:00 am

Ah. Now that I don't need Perl I might actually start fiddling with this and visual basic to see if I can't come up with some sort of little GUI. If I get enough motivation and stop being lazy I might try something a little more OS-independent like Java for a gui.

I'll probably include a simple native gui using wxPerl at some point. But you are welcome to do your own version, as it may happen sooner. I just thought I should tell you my plans.

Just so you know, the user interface (command names and switches) will be making one big drastic change before I release 0.38. This is mostly so I can implement long command line switches which will improve the future extensibility of the program.

» Tue Aug 24, 2010 1:00 am

I'll probably include a simple native gui using wxPerl at some point. But you are welcome to do your own version, as it may happen sooner. I just thought I should tell you my plans.

Just so you know, the user interface (command names and switches) will be making one big drastic change before I release 0.38. This is mostly so I can implement long command line switches which will improve the future extensibility of the program.

Sounds good. I only did one test of running commands so it wont be too difficult to change those. I'm mostly going to toy around to make sure I understand how it works.

» Mon Aug 23, 2010 7:29 pm

Anyway to lock file date and times in?

» Mon Aug 23, 2010 12:09 pm

Anyway to lock file date and times in?

Not sure what you are referring to. Normally, tes3cmd will ensure that processed plugins retain their original modification date, have you found a situation where it does not do that? If you let me know what you were doing (give the command-line, for example), I can look into it.

» Mon Aug 23, 2010 2:55 pm

Good job! The new "clean" option is a lot better than TESTOOL's one but I have some questions:

1. How can I force tes3cmd to overwrite the original .esp and .esm files? Right now it copies the cleaned plugin to "Clean_XXXXXX.esp"
2. Is it possible to integrate a "merge objects" feature? I am using Esper right now but LISP is slow and Esper has still some bugs.

» Mon Aug 23, 2010 2:49 pm

1. How can I force tes3cmd to overwrite the original .esp and .esm files? Right now it copies the cleaned plugin to "Clean_XXXXXX.esp"

The current command should tell you how if you type: http://code.google.com/p/mlox/wiki/Tes3cmd?ts=1278567886&updated=Tes3cmd#clean. But the command line switches will be changing for the final release of 0.38. Currently the documentation says:

 -R      Replace original with cleaned version (original is backed up)Examples:# clean all plugins in the current directory, replacing the originals with# the cleaned versions and save the diagnostic output to a file (clean.txt):tes3cmd clean -R *.esm *.esp > clean.txt

2. Is it possible to integrate a "merge objects" feature? I am using Esper right now but LISP is slow and Esper has still some bugs.

I might give it a shot at some point.

» Mon Aug 23, 2010 11:47 pm

The current command should tell you how if you type: http://code.google.com/p/mlox/wiki/Tes3cmd?ts=1278567886&updated=Tes3cmd#clean. But the command line switches will be changing for the final release of 0.38. Currently the documentation says:

 -R      Replace original with cleaned version (original is backed up)Examples:# clean all plugins in the current directory, replacing the originals with# the cleaned versions and save the diagnostic output to a file (clean.txt):tes3cmd clean -R *.esm *.esp > clean.txt

Thanks. I am an idiot. I tried tes3cmd --help and it didn't work

I might give it a shot at some point.

This would be really good.

» Tue Aug 24, 2010 4:45 am

After running tes3cmd clean *.esm *.esp all modified plugins were changed to the current date.

» Tue Aug 24, 2010 1:07 am

After running tes3cmd clean *.esm *.esp all modified plugins were changed to the current date.

That's kind of weird. I'm not seeing that on my system with the latest version of tes3cmd 0.37-2010.07.06e)(. What is your OS Version? I'm only testing on Linux and Windows XP, but I be surprised to get different results in Vista/Win7. The cleaned files should be re-set to the date of the original.

I'll be sure to keep my eye on that and test for it before release. If anyone else experiences this problem with 0.37-2010.07.06e or later, please let me know.

» Mon Aug 23, 2010 4:29 pm

I have Windows XP SP3. I am using version v0.37-2010_07_06e. All files that were cleaned today using the tes3cmd clean *.esm *.esp command were set to 7/9/2010 at 9:00AM with the time changing to 9:10, 9:12, etc for when the plugin was finished being cleaned.

» Mon Aug 23, 2010 2:51 pm

I've put out a new version: tes3cmd-0.37f-2010.07.09.7z
http://code.google.com/p/mlox/downloads/list

This new version has completely overhauled all the command line options and documentation. I also reimplemented about half the commands to streamline things. This release is mostly to give a heads up on the new UI changes. The plan is to start really testing and see if I can put out a nice stable release soon.