[RELzBETAWIPz] TES4Edit : IV - Oblivion

» Wed May 09, 2012 2:00 am

Hi guys,

I was running automated cleaning with 3.0.15 on http://tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=13853, and it gave me the following error

Undeleting: [REFR:01012EC4] (places ChorrolTrapDoor01 "Trap Door" [DOOR:0002A821] in GRUP Cell Persistent Children of [CELL:00023777] (in Tamriel [WRLD:0000003C] at 0,0))

Error saving BattlehornCastleEnhanced.esp.save.2010_11_22_01_17_41: Record [REFR:01012EC4] (places NULL - Null Reference [00000000] in GRUP World Children of Tamriel [WRLD:0000003C]) can not be contained in GRUP World Children of Tamriel [WRLD:0000003C]

Any suggestion on what I should do?

Thanks

» Wed May 09, 2012 2:08 am

Oh yeah hadn't thought of that ... Yeah same error:
So it is a dungeon quest mod. I'm very unfamiliar with it or with how to read mods enough to tell if these two entries were left in by mistake or if they are used.

Well known - I had found the answer ~~will post the link when I find it again~~ http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1086581-tes4edit/ - you have to open it in tessnip and delete one of the 2 cells (I think I deleted the one that says DELETED haus)
And then a lot to clean - plus wild edits

Now on to my noob question - win7 - do I have to install DX9 - all of them ? Installing http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1149925-tes4edit-d3dx9-33dll/
Pleeease I need TES4EDIT back !
ANd my noob request - do not know if implemented in 3.0.15 - cntrl click on a record -expands/collapses all subrecords - would come quite handy

Thanks !

» Wed May 09, 2012 5:54 am

Now on to my noob question - win7 - do I have to install DX9 - all of them ? Installing http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1149925-tes4edit-d3dx9-33dll/

You will need to do a reinstall of DX9 over, run setup.exe, extracting the file would not have worked byitself, because the dll need to get registred (spelling) in windows registry and windows system...

» Tue May 08, 2012 6:35 pm

You will need to do a reinstall of DX9 over, run setup.exe, extracting the file would not have worked byitself, because the dll need to get registred (spelling) in windows registry and windows system...

thanks !

» Tue May 08, 2012 8:54 pm

ElminsterEU,

Since a large mod list will choke Test4Edit or Tes4LODGen due to memory limitations, I have a suggestion for a new feature in the Tes4LODGen code that will help those of us still using XP.

If it can be done, set it up so that the data is processed in pieces.
I'm sure it would make the program slower, but then people like me wouldn't need to try and figure out how to get a correct LOD gen.

Thanks

» Tue May 08, 2012 11:31 pm

Is it really memory limitations, or just the overflow of the mod index byte? I believe Waruddar was working on being able to support more than 255 mods at once in CBash. Would that work be useful here?

» Tue May 08, 2012 9:03 pm

I doubt CBash's model will be appropriate, but I'll describe it real quick.

CBash allows you to work with more than 255 files, but with some restrictions.
1) There's still a 255 limit for mods that add new content. Can't work around that since there's only one byte for indexing and 0xFF is reserved for the savegame.
2) If a mod doesn't add any new content, it can be added past the 255 limit. There are no new records to index, so it isn't added to the formal load order. This does mean however that you may neither create records nor copy records as new into this mod. Bash uses this mostly to merge mods into the patch.
3) CBash can be told to ignore any new records in a mod, allowing it to work as #2 above. This has limited utility, but Bash uses it to support filter mods, importing stats from mods, etc. FormIDs in these mods may not be always be resolvable, so it has the added restriction that formIDs can't be safely imported.

With the three conditions above, CBash will work with more than 255 files. It has two arrays...one that contains every mod added to a collection, and one that's limited to 255 that contains normal mods. If it's in the 255 array, any operation is supported. If it isn't, then CBash is quite a bit more restrictive.

On top of that, you can work with multiple collections at once. I haven't exactly found a good reason to use more than one at once, but the capability is there :shrug:

In theory, I suppose you could support more than 255 mods by changing how Oblivion indexes records....use the top 2 bytes rather than just 1. If a mod needs more than 65,535 records, it adds itself as it's own master (thus giving it another 65,535 records to use). Kinda late in the game to change it though :poke:

» Tue May 08, 2012 3:10 pm

I just learned to do automated cleaning with TES4Edit.
Should I touch OOO or Fran's or MMM stuff? I know I shouldn't mess with FCOM modules.
Thank you!

» Wed May 09, 2012 5:06 am

Is it really memory limitations, or just the overflow of the mod index byte? I believe Waruddar was working on being able to support more than 255 mods at once in CBash. Would that work be useful here?

Hell, idk.
What I've seen on occasion are "out of memory" and "An error has occured. Check the message log. ..." messages.

This occurs when I try to load ElsweyrAnequina and Valenwood Improved at the same time with the rest of the mods in my lo.
Then I have to use Task Manager to end the program.

» Tue May 08, 2012 11:15 pm

Elminster, is there a way to turn off the save pop-up? I've tried right-clicking to look for preferences, but alas all I find is "Pluggy Link"... wait, what link to Pluggy? How could it... what would that do... what?

» Wed May 09, 2012 4:07 am

Elminster, is there a way to turn off the save pop-up? I've tried right-clicking to look for preferences, but alas all I find is "Pluggy Link"... wait, what link to Pluggy? How could it... what would that do... what?

There is currently no way to turn off the save pop-up.

As for pluggy link, if you got the pluggylink.esp in your load order (which might now have been part of recent releases, but was at some point in the past) then a script running in game will write information about whatever object is currently in the crosshair into a text file, which TES4Edit picks up and automatically opens the detail view for that FormID.

So if you have multiple monitors, you can have TES4Edit running on a 2nd monitor and it will always show you whatever record (either the REFR or the referenced base record) is currently in the crosshair.

» Tue May 08, 2012 3:50 pm

A request to be able to turn off the pop up then :icecream:

I had forgotten about the Pluggy link. Very cool and useful.

» Tue May 08, 2012 3:02 pm

Repost of a report I made in the NVEdit thread, it would be really nice to be able to mass-edit record flags.

http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/3793/assertionfail.jpg

The illustrated error comes up when attempting to mass-select several records and apply the "initially disabled" flag to them.

» Tue May 08, 2012 10:44 pm

Repost of a report I made in the NVEdit thread, it would be really nice to be able to mass-edit record flags.

That also happens when trying to mass-edit any record flags, not just "initially disabled" - and also Position/Rotation entries.

» Wed May 09, 2012 6:51 am

Opening all my active mods I notice that edit chokes on this older mod http://tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=7079

Like so:
01:26] Background Loader: [DBSQR - MehrunesRazor.esp] Building reference info.
[01:26] Background Loader: [DBSQR - Orrery.esp] Building reference info.
[01:26] Background Loader: [Enhanced Quest Roleplaying.esp] Building reference info.
[01:27] Background Loader: [A Sorceress Love 1_1.esp] Building reference info.
[01:27] Background Loader: [Ancient Ruins - Ayleid Edition.esp] Building reference info.
[01:27] Background Loader: [Artefacts of the Ancestors.esp] Building reference info.
[01:27] Background Loader: Fatal:
[01:30] Background Loader: finished

DELETED is the actual name of the cells but I'm not sure if they are in there as legacy and not used by the mod or not. My main question is - what is this error?

There is a bad entry that needs to be snipped with TESSnip or something. The cell is duplicated. I don't remember which one I deleted. It has been a while since I tried to work with that plugin.

» Tue May 08, 2012 3:27 pm

Opening all my active mods I notice that edit chokes on this older mod http://tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=7079

Like so:
01:26] Background Loader: [DBSQR - MehrunesRazor.esp] Building reference info.
[01:26] Background Loader: [DBSQR - Orrery.esp] Building reference info.
[01:26] Background Loader: [Enhanced Quest Roleplaying.esp] Building reference info.
[01:27] Background Loader: [A Sorceress Love 1_1.esp] Building reference info.
[01:27] Background Loader: [Ancient Ruins - Ayleid Edition.esp] Building reference info.
[01:27] Background Loader: [Artefacts of the Ancestors.esp] Building reference info.
[01:27] Background Loader: Fatal:
[01:30] Background Loader: finished

DELETED is the actual name of the cells but I'm not sure if they are in there as legacy and not used by the mod or not. My main question is - what is this error?

There is a bad entry that needs to be snipped with TESSnip or something. The cell is duplicated. I don't remember which one I deleted. It has been a while since I tried to work with that plugin.

Edit: I have not been following these threads too closely as of late. Is it possible to search for the bad water height entries--the big negative numbers--with the latest version of TES4Edit?

» Tue May 08, 2012 9:44 pm

I tried cleaning and undeleting the v3 of Elsweyr Anequina, and wow, TES4Edit finds a lot of stuff to remove. What surprises me is that many of the cleaned out entries are in new worldspaces rather than Tamriel: how can they be "identical to master" i.e. to Oblivion.esm? Can someone explain what's going on with entries removed from the the ANQ* worlds?
On the other hand the undeletions makes sense. Man, there are so many of them, this plugin must be causing quite a few crashes to desktop in its current state. (Or at least is a big source of potential crashes.)

Clean results:

Spoiler

Removing: GRUP Cell Temporary Children of [CELL:010950D4] (in ANQOrcrestTownWorld "Orcrest Town" [WRLD:01094DBB] at -1,-3)
Removing: GRUP Cell Temporary Children of [CELL:010950D6] (in ANQOrcrestTownWorld "Orcrest Town" [WRLD:01094DBB] at 1,-3)
Removing: GRUP Cell Temporary Children of [CELL:010950D5] (in ANQOrcrestTownWorld "Orcrest Town" [WRLD:01094DBB] at 0,-3)
Removing: GRUP Cell Temporary Children of [CELL:010944E8] (in ANQOrcrestGateWorld "Orcrest Gateway" [WRLD:010944DB] at -1,-2)
Removing: GRUP Cell Temporary Children of [CELL:010A9003] (in ANQChasemoorVillageWorld "Chasemoor Village World" [WRLD:0108FF10] at -2,4)
Removing: GRUP Cell Temporary Children of [CELL:0108FF9F] (in ANQChasemoorVillageWorld "Chasemoor Village World" [WRLD:0108FF10] at 3,-2)
Removing: GRUP Cell Temporary Children of [CELL:010A8F51] (in ANQChasemoorVillageWorld "Chasemoor Village World" [WRLD:0108FF10] at 3,3)
Removing: GRUP Cell Temporary Children of [CELL:01044616] (in ANQCorintheGardenWorld "Corinthe Palace Gardens District" [WRLD:0104429C] at -1,3)
Removing: GRUP Cell Temporary Children of [CELL:01044618] (in ANQCorintheGardenWorld "Corinthe Palace Gardens District" [WRLD:0104429C] at 1,3)
Removing: GRUP Cell Temporary Children of [CELL:01044617] (in ANQCorintheGardenWorld "Corinthe Palace Gardens District" [WRLD:0104429C] at 0,3)
Removing: GRUP Cell Temporary Children of [CELL:010444C5] (in ANQCorintheGardenWorld "Corinthe Palace Gardens District" [WRLD:0104429C] at 2,2)
Removing: GRUP Cell Temporary Children of [CELL:0102E77F] (in ANQVerkarthHillsWorld "Verkarth Hills" [WRLD:0102E438] at -7,-4)
Removing: GRUP Cell Temporary Children of [CELL:0102E77D] (in ANQVerkarthHillsWorld "Verkarth Hills" [WRLD:0102E438] at -7,-5)
Removing: GRUP Cell Temporary Children of [CELL:0102E77B] (in ANQVerkarthHillsWorld "Verkarth Hills" [WRLD:0102E438] at -7,-6)
Removing: GRUP Cell Temporary Children of [CELL:0102E779] (in ANQVerkarthHillsWorld "Verkarth Hills" [WRLD:0102E438] at -7,-7)
Removing: GRUP Cell Temporary Children of [CELL:0102E6F8] (in ANQVerkarthHillsWorld "Verkarth Hills" [WRLD:0102E438] at -2,-5)
Removing: GRUP Cell Temporary Children of [CELL:0102E6F6] (in ANQVerkarthHillsWorld "Verkarth Hills" [WRLD:0102E438] at -2,-6)
Removing: GRUP Cell Temporary Children of [CELL:0102E6F4] (in ANQVerkarthHillsWorld "Verkarth Hills" [WRLD:0102E438] at -2,-7)
Removing: GRUP Cell Temporary Children of [CELL:0102E6F2] (in ANQVerkarthHillsWorld "Verkarth Hills" [WRLD:0102E438] at -2,-8)
Removing: GRUP Cell Temporary Children of [CELL:0102E691] (in ANQVerkarthHillsWorld "Verkarth Hills" [WRLD:0102E438] at -5,-6)
Removing: GRUP Cell Temporary Children of [CELL:0102E68F] (in ANQVerkarthHillsWorld "Verkarth Hills" [WRLD:0102E438] at -5,-7)
Removing: GRUP Cell Temporary Children of [CELL:0102E68D] (in ANQVerkarthHillsWorld "Verkarth Hills" [WRLD:0102E438] at -5,-8)
Removing: GRUP Cell Temporary Children of [CELL:0102E64D] (in ANQVerkarthHillsWorld "Verkarth Hills" [WRLD:0102E438] at -8,-1)
Removing: GRUP Cell Temporary Children of [CELL:0102E64B] (in ANQVerkarthHillsWorld "Verkarth Hills" [WRLD:0102E438] at -8,-2)
Removing: GRUP Cell Temporary Children of [CELL:0102E643] (in ANQVerkarthHillsWorld "Verkarth Hills" [WRLD:0102E438] at -8,-6)
Removing: GRUP Cell Temporary Children of [CELL:0102E5C2] (in ANQVerkarthHillsWorld "Verkarth Hills" [WRLD:0102E438] at -3,-5)
Removing: GRUP Cell Temporary Children of [CELL:0102E5BE] (in ANQVerkarthHillsWorld "Verkarth Hills" [WRLD:0102E438] at -3,-7)
Removing: GRUP Cell Temporary Children of [CELL:0102E5BC] (in ANQVerkarthHillsWorld "Verkarth Hills" [WRLD:0102E438] at -3,-8)
Removing: GRUP Cell Temporary Children of [CELL:0102E55A] (in ANQVerkarthHillsWorld "Verkarth Hills" [WRLD:0102E438] at -6,-4)
Removing: GRUP Cell Temporary Children of [CELL:0102E558] (in ANQVerkarthHillsWorld "Verkarth Hills" [WRLD:0102E438] at -6,-5)
Removing: GRUP Cell Temporary Children of [CELL:0102E556] (in ANQVerkarthHillsWorld "Verkarth Hills" [WRLD:0102E438] at -6,-6)
Removing: GRUP Cell Temporary Children of [CELL:0102E554] (in ANQVerkarthHillsWorld "Verkarth Hills" [WRLD:0102E438] at -6,-7)
Removing: GRUP Cell Temporary Children of [CELL:0102E552] (in ANQVerkarthHillsWorld "Verkarth Hills" [WRLD:0102E438] at -6,-8)
Removing: GRUP Cell Temporary Children of [CELL:0102E4CE] (in ANQVerkarthHillsWorld "Verkarth Hills" [WRLD:0102E438] at -1,-5)
Removing: GRUP Cell Temporary Children of [CELL:0102E4CC] (in ANQVerkarthHillsWorld "Verkarth Hills" [WRLD:0102E438] at -1,-6)
Removing: GRUP Cell Temporary Children of [CELL:0102E4CA] (in ANQVerkarthHillsWorld "Verkarth Hills" [WRLD:0102E438] at -1,-7)
Removing: GRUP Cell Temporary Children of [CELL:0102E4C8] (in ANQVerkarthHillsWorld "Verkarth Hills" [WRLD:0102E438] at -1,-8)
Removing: GRUP Cell Temporary Children of [CELL:0102E46E] (in ANQVerkarthHillsWorld "Verkarth Hills" [WRLD:0102E438] at -4,-5)
Removing: GRUP Cell Temporary Children of [CELL:0102E46A] (in ANQVerkarthHillsWorld "Verkarth Hills" [WRLD:0102E438] at -4,-7)
Removing: GRUP Cell Temporary Children of [CELL:0102E468] (in ANQVerkarthHillsWorld "Verkarth Hills" [WRLD:0102E438] at -4,-8)
Removing: GRUP Cell Temporary Children of [CELL:0102E6F0] (in ANQVerkarthHillsWorld "Verkarth Hills" [WRLD:0102E438] at -2,-9)
Removing: GRUP Cell Temporary Children of [CELL:0102E6EE] (in ANQVerkarthHillsWorld "Verkarth Hills" [WRLD:0102E438] at -2,-10)
Removing: GRUP Cell Temporary Children of [CELL:0102E68B] (in ANQVerkarthHillsWorld "Verkarth Hills" [WRLD:0102E438] at -5,-9)
Removing: GRUP Cell Temporary Children of [CELL:0102E5BA] (in ANQVerkarthHillsWorld "Verkarth Hills" [WRLD:0102E438] at -3,-9)
Removing: GRUP Cell Temporary Children of [CELL:0102E5B8] (in ANQVerkarthHillsWorld "Verkarth Hills" [WRLD:0102E438] at -3,-10)
Removing: GRUP Cell Temporary Children of [CELL:0102E4C6] (in ANQVerkarthHillsWorld "Verkarth Hills" [WRLD:0102E438] at -1,-9)
Removing: GRUP Cell Temporary Children of [CELL:0102E4C4] (in ANQVerkarthHillsWorld "Verkarth Hills" [WRLD:0102E438] at -1,-10)
Removing: GRUP Cell Temporary Children of [CELL:0102E466] (in ANQVerkarthHillsWorld "Verkarth Hills" [WRLD:0102E438] at -4,-9)
Removing: GRUP Cell Temporary Children of [CELL:0102E464] (in ANQVerkarthHillsWorld "Verkarth Hills" [WRLD:0102E438] at -4,-10)
Removing: GRUP Cell Temporary Children of [CELL:0102E74D] (in ANQVerkarthHillsWorld "Verkarth Hills" [WRLD:0102E438] at -10,-1)
Removing: GRUP Cell Temporary Children of [CELL:0102E74B] (in ANQVerkarthHillsWorld "Verkarth Hills" [WRLD:0102E438] at -10,-2)
Removing: GRUP Cell Temporary Children of [CELL:0102E749] (in ANQVerkarthHillsWorld "Verkarth Hills" [WRLD:0102E438] at -10,-3)
Removing: GRUP Cell Temporary Children of [CELL:0102E747] (in ANQVerkarthHillsWorld "Verkarth Hills" [WRLD:0102E438] at -10,-4)
Removing: GRUP Cell Temporary Children of [CELL:0102E61D] (in ANQVerkarthHillsWorld "Verkarth Hills" [WRLD:0102E438] at -11,-1)
Removing: GRUP Cell Temporary Children of [CELL:0102E61B] (in ANQVerkarthHillsWorld "Verkarth Hills" [WRLD:0102E438] at -11,-2)
Removing: GRUP Cell Temporary Children of [CELL:0102E619] (in ANQVerkarthHillsWorld "Verkarth Hills" [WRLD:0102E438] at -11,-3)
Removing: GRUP Cell Temporary Children of [CELL:0102E505] (in ANQVerkarthHillsWorld "Verkarth Hills" [WRLD:0102E438] at -9,-1)
Removing: GRUP Cell Temporary Children of [CELL:0102E503] (in ANQVerkarthHillsWorld "Verkarth Hills" [WRLD:0102E438] at -9,-2)
Removing: GRUP Cell Temporary Children of [CELL:0102E4FF] (in ANQVerkarthHillsWorld "Verkarth Hills" [WRLD:0102E438] at -9,-4)
Removing: GRUP Cell Temporary Children of [CELL:0102E4FD] (in ANQVerkarthHillsWorld "Verkarth Hills" [WRLD:0102E438] at -9,-5)
Removing: GRUP Cell Temporary Children of [CELL:0102E79F] (in ANQVerkarthHillsWorld "Verkarth Hills" [WRLD:0102E438] at -6,11)
Removing: GRUP Cell Temporary Children of [CELL:0102E799] (in ANQVerkarthHillsWorld "Verkarth Hills" [WRLD:0102E438] at -6,8)
Removing: GRUP Cell Temporary Children of [CELL:0102E720] (in ANQVerkarthHillsWorld "Verkarth Hills" [WRLD:0102E438] at -1,11)
Removing: GRUP Cell Temporary Children of [CELL:0102E71E] (in ANQVerkarthHillsWorld "Verkarth Hills" [WRLD:0102E438] at -1,10)
Removing: GRUP Cell Temporary Children of [CELL:0102E71C] (in ANQVerkarthHillsWorld "Verkarth Hills" [WRLD:0102E438] at -1,9)
Removing: GRUP Cell Temporary Children of [CELL:0102E6B8] (in ANQVerkarthHillsWorld "Verkarth Hills" [WRLD:0102E438] at -4,11)
Removing: GRUP Cell Temporary Children of [CELL:0102E6B6] (in ANQVerkarthHillsWorld "Verkarth Hills" [WRLD:0102E438] at -4,10)
Removing: GRUP Cell Temporary Children of [CELL:0102E673] (in ANQVerkarthHillsWorld "Verkarth Hills" [WRLD:0102E438] at -7,11)
Removing: GRUP Cell Temporary Children of [CELL:0102E671] (in ANQVerkarthHillsWorld "Verkarth Hills" [WRLD:0102E438] at -7,10)
Removing: GRUP Cell Temporary Children of [CELL:0102E668] (in ANQVerkarthHillsWorld "Verkarth Hills" [WRLD:0102E438] at -7,9)
Removing: GRUP Cell Temporary Children of [CELL:0102E65F] (in ANQVerkarthHillsWorld "Verkarth Hills" [WRLD:0102E438] at -7,8)
Removing: GRUP Cell Temporary Children of [CELL:0102E5EA] (in ANQVerkarthHillsWorld "Verkarth Hills" [WRLD:0102E438] at -2,11)
Removing: GRUP Cell Temporary Children of [CELL:0102E5E8] (in ANQVerkarthHillsWorld "Verkarth Hills" [WRLD:0102E438] at -2,10)
Removing: GRUP Cell Temporary Children of [CELL:0102E5E6] (in ANQVerkarthHillsWorld "Verkarth Hills" [WRLD:0102E438] at -2,9)
Removing: GRUP Cell Temporary Children of [CELL:0102E57D] (in ANQVerkarthHillsWorld "Verkarth Hills" [WRLD:0102E438] at -5,11)
Removing: GRUP Cell Temporary Children of [CELL:0102E51D] (in ANQVerkarthHillsWorld "Verkarth Hills" [WRLD:0102E438] at -8,10)
Removing: GRUP Cell Temporary Children of [CELL:0102E519] (in ANQVerkarthHillsWorld "Verkarth Hills" [WRLD:0102E438] at -8,9)
Removing: GRUP Cell Temporary Children of [CELL:0102E517] (in ANQVerkarthHillsWorld "Verkarth Hills" [WRLD:0102E438] at -8,8)
Removing: GRUP Cell Temporary Children of [CELL:0102E493] (in ANQVerkarthHillsWorld "Verkarth Hills" [WRLD:0102E438] at -3,11)
Removing: GRUP Cell Temporary Children of [CELL:0102E491] (in ANQVerkarthHillsWorld "Verkarth Hills" [WRLD:0102E438] at -3,10)
Removing: GRUP Cell Temporary Children of [CELL:0102E797] (in ANQVerkarthHillsWorld "Verkarth Hills" [WRLD:0102E438] at -6,7)
Removing: GRUP Cell Temporary Children of [CELL:0102E65D] (in ANQVerkarthHillsWorld "Verkarth Hills" [WRLD:0102E438] at -7,7)
Removing: GRUP Cell Temporary Children of [CELL:0102E515] (in ANQVerkarthHillsWorld "Verkarth Hills" [WRLD:0102E438] at -8,7)
Removing: GRUP Cell Temporary Children of [CELL:0102E513] (in ANQVerkarthHillsWorld "Verkarth Hills" [WRLD:0102E438] at -8,6)
Removing: GRUP Cell Temporary Children of [CELL:0102E511] (in ANQVerkarthHillsWorld "Verkarth Hills" [WRLD:0102E438] at -8,5)
Removing: GRUP Cell Temporary Children of [CELL:0102E50F] (in ANQVerkarthHillsWorld "Verkarth Hills" [WRLD:0102E438] at -8,4)
Removing: GRUP Cell Temporary Children of [CELL:0102E50D] (in ANQVerkarthHillsWorld "Verkarth Hills" [WRLD:0102E438] at -8,3)
Removing: GRUP Cell Temporary Children of [CELL:0102E50B] (in ANQVerkarthHillsWorld "Verkarth Hills" [WRLD:0102E438] at -8,2)
Removing: GRUP Cell Temporary Children of [CELL:0102E509] (in ANQVerkarthHillsWorld "Verkarth Hills" [WRLD:0102E438] at -8,1)
Removing: GRUP Cell Temporary Children of [CELL:0102E507] (in ANQVerkarthHillsWorld "Verkarth Hills" [WRLD:0102E438] at -8,0)
Removing: GRUP Cell Temporary Children of [CELL:0102E75D] (in ANQVerkarthHillsWorld "Verkarth Hills" [WRLD:0102E438] at -9,7)
Removing: GRUP Cell Temporary Children of [CELL:0102E75B] (in ANQVerkarthHillsWorld "Verkarth Hills" [WRLD:0102E438] at -9,6)
Removing: GRUP Cell Temporary Children of [CELL:0102E759] (in ANQVerkarthHillsWorld "Verkarth Hills" [WRLD:0102E438] at -9,5)
Removing: GRUP Cell Temporary Children of [CELL:0102E757] (in ANQVerkarthHillsWorld "Verkarth Hills" [WRLD:0102E438] at -9,4)
Removing: GRUP Cell Temporary Children of [CELL:0102E755] (in ANQVerkarthHillsWorld "Verkarth Hills" [WRLD:0102E438] at -9,3)
Removing: GRUP Cell Temporary Children of [CELL:0102E753] (in ANQVerkarthHillsWorld "Verkarth Hills" [WRLD:0102E438] at -9,2)
Removing: GRUP Cell Temporary Children of [CELL:0102E751] (in ANQVerkarthHillsWorld "Verkarth Hills" [WRLD:0102E438] at -9,1)
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[Removing "Identical to Master" records done] Processed Records: 167746 Removed Records: 218 Elapsed Time: 00:00

Undelete results:
http://pastebin.com/buMz5a5q

» Tue May 08, 2012 9:29 pm

Yes, removing those extra cells in new worldspaces is normal. They're composed of cells with no data in them and that just takes up memory needlessly in the game.

The plugin is only likely to generate crashes due to deletions if the deletions in turn cause edit conflicts later in the load order.

» Wed May 09, 2012 7:14 am

Edit: I have not been following these threads too closely as of late. Is it possible to search for the bad water height entries--the big negative numbers--with the latest version of TES4Edit?

The big negative number isn't really a bad entry. It looks odd, but it doesn't cause any issues.

For the technically minded, -2147483648 is represented by the hexadecimal 0x80000000. That happens to be the value of -0.0 (yes, a negative zero) which the engine then interprets as 0.0 since it has no use for the sign. See this http://www.cygnus-software.com/papers/comparingfloats/comparingfloats.htm for more details about working with floats.

» Tue May 08, 2012 5:03 pm

Yes, removing those extra cells in new worldspaces is normal. They're composed of cells with no data in them and that just takes up memory needlessly in the game.

The plugin is only likely to generate crashes due to deletions if the deletions in turn cause edit conflicts later in the load order.

Thanks Arthmoor for the explanations.

» Tue May 08, 2012 4:13 pm

The big negative number isn't really a bad entry. It looks odd, but it doesn't cause any issues.

For the technically minded, -2147483648 is represented by the hexadecimal 0x80000000. That happens to be the value of -0.0 (yes, a negative zero) which the engine then interprets as 0.0 since it has no use for the sign. See this http://www.cygnus-software.com/papers/comparingfloats/comparingfloats.htm for more details about working with floats.

Got it. I'm still taking CS classes, so I haven't yet forgotten, haha. I'm glad to know that is not a real concern because I definitely would have wasted an un-mergeable patch "fixing" those errors once I've finalized my LO.

@ElminsterEU: I'm definitely enjoying the speedier TES4LODGen. It offsets waiting for the Bashed Patch rebuild...a bit...

Happy gaming!
- Tomlong75210

» Wed May 09, 2012 4:11 am

The big negative number isn't really a bad entry. It looks odd, but it doesn't cause any issues.

For the technically minded, -2147483648 is represented by the hexadecimal 0x80000000. That happens to be the value of -0.0 (yes, a negative zero) which the engine then interprets as 0.0 since it has no use for the sign. See this http://www.cygnus-software.com/papers/comparingfloats/comparingfloats.htm for more details about working with floats.

Got it. I'm still taking CS classes, so I haven't yet forgotten, haha. I'm glad to know that is not a real concern because I definitely would have wasted an un-mergeable patch "fixing" those errors once I've finalized my LO.

@ElminsterEU: I'm definitely enjoying the speedier TES4LODGen. It offsets waiting for the Bashed Patch rebuild...a bit...

Happy gaming!
- Tomlong75210

As Warrudar said, it's not a bad entry, but it is a dirty edit, and no there is presently nothing in TES4Edit which will track down and remove these, automated or manual. They can be ignored or removed from the ESP itself, no need to patch them in any way.

» Tue May 08, 2012 4:55 pm

I had an issue trying to make a simple patch. I copied a record out of Oscuro's Oblivion Overhaul.esp into a new plugin and triggered a work bench error. Switching back to v2.5, creating the patch plugin took a few seconds to make and save. The new file only had to depend upon Oblivion.esm at the time of its creation, so I don't know what the deal was there...

» Wed May 09, 2012 3:49 am

Before trying to copy from one ESP to a new one, first create the new ESP, and make it dependant on Oblivion.esm (copy as override any record directly from the ESM, then remove the copy later). Once this is done, you can (if needed) repeat with the next ESM or ESP which it needs to be dependant on until all masters are listed in the right order. Then copy the record you actually wanted to copy.

» Tue May 08, 2012 8:34 pm

Before trying to copy from one ESP to a new one, first create the new ESP, and make it dependant on Oblivion.esm (copy as override any record directly from the ESM, then remove the copy later). Once this is done, you can (if needed) repeat with the next ESM or ESP which it needs to be dependant on until all masters are listed in the right order. Then copy the record you actually wanted to copy.

I will try that then.

Thank you!
- Tomlong75210