agreeed i love blood just as much as I love advltery which is never

What I don't understand is that people seem to only want realism that applies to combat or survival situations. You want people to freeze to death in the mountains or spells to have realistic effects. But what about environment? One of the biggest immersion breaking things for me about Oblivion and Morrowind were the taverns. How many bars have any of you of legal age been to where people are calm and civilized and sit in chairs very quietly and mind their own business? When I go into a tavern in TES, I expect there to be LOUD music and a whole bunch of people dancing, yelling, fighting, I want things to be flying across the room, I want there to be a party with drinks being spilled, and contests of strength and drinking contests and drinking games and games of so called precision. I want there to be drunk women being promiscuous and and naked girls dancing on tables for no other reason than they are drunk, I want topless barmaids and when you go upstairs, there should be gratuitous love-making and overall, I want it to be a dirty gritty primal ugly gross place. Because that's what a tavern is for. For people who have been working hard all day long to go and just plain release and not worry about societal implications. And I don't want this because I like this kind of stuff. I don't go to bars in real life for this sort of reason. I work with drunks all the time at my job and they're obnoxious. But I want it because it's Believable. because when I went to a tavern in Morrowind, they stood in one place behaving nicely. And when I went to a bar in Oblivion, everyone was polite and perfectly mannered and that is definitely NOT how drunk people act. Not even close and that I know from experience. And even if it is another universe, alcohol is alcohol and i have a hard time believing that people don't get stupid drunk. Especially not since Arena and Daggerfall got close to a believable bar scene.

Not every bar is frequented by obnoxious frat boys. Not all drunk people completely let go of their self-control and make douchebags of themselves.

The truth is that taverns can range from unbearably rowdy to unbearably boring, depending on the neighborhood.

It would be far more realistic to me that properly gentlemen in the middle of Vvardenfell at a bar

Yeah. A tavern near a legion fort would be pretty rowdy and out of control.

But, I would imagine the Elven Nations Cornerclub to be more upscale and well-behaved.

The Council Club in Balmora would be quiet and smoky, with a chance of getting rowdy if the wrong people enter.

In a game like Daggerfall, where everything is static to begin with, it's not hard for me to stretch my imagination and imagine such an atmosphere. But, in a viscerally atmospheric game like Oblivion, or even Morrowind, it's harder to stretch your imagination when nothing is physically happening.

I was always disappointed that those supposed racist Dark Elves in the Black Shalk Cornerclub only seemed to hate that one particular Argonian that the quest requires them to hate.

I would like the game to have mature themes. It could make the game feel more realistic, and would allow it to be more correct lorewise.
There should be poverty, violence, drugs, and other nasty stuff in the game. The cities should be larger, dirtier, and have more people. There should be poor districts, and rich districts in the cities.
The taverns in TES should feel more alive, and be a lot more noisy and uncivilized than in the previous games. It will really add to the immersion... the taverns in Morrowind and Oblivion really svcked.

People should also have have different shapes and sizes (maybe have some body-sliders in addition to the face-gen?), that could make NPCs look unique.
I'd like people to still have permanent underwear, because I don't want a lot of nvde dead people lying around after I've killed them and looted them.

I guess nudity in the right context could be okay as well... if the TES lore requires it. I understand it was done in Daggerfall.

I'd also like relationships with NPCs...
You should also be able to befriend NPCs... unique dialogue options, and other options that makes that NPC actually seem like a friend. That would really add to the role-playing experience. Having NPC friends was something a missed in the earlier games when role-playing.

Some NPCs should also be romanceable. I don't think six is needed though... but your character should be able to kiss his/her lover. six cutscenes like in ME or DA:O would not break the game, IMO... but it's really not a necessary feature.
I don't see any point in going much deeper than that. Modders could probably expand this system if they wanted to.

Concerning the blood and gore, I'd like a realistic amount. Not like in FO3. Some spells could probably make an ugly mess out of people, but not a normal weapon... at least not unenchanted ones.

If TES5 got an AO-rating I'd buy it anyway... but I find it unlikely to happen. I'm expecting and M-rating.

I'm not saying I wouldn't want bars to be more lively, it's just that example was terrible and wouldn't fit the atmosphere at all. Certain taverns should have a lot going on, and some should still be laid back.

If you've ever played the mod for Morrowind called "Clothers Of Vvardenfell" I think the tavern in there is a good representation of something I would go for.

I remember I downloaded that mod just for the tavern.
...I got rid of the mod after a while because the clothiers felt kind of misplaced, and I felt that it was gamebreaking. I miss the tavern though.

I love this reply.

Anyway, personaly i've never used mods since i've always been a console gamer, more or less. So for many people, mods isn't really an option. If you buy the game to XBOX 360 or Playstation 3, you are completely dependent of Bethesda. However, i just recently signed up on Nexus since i finaly got a good gaming pc. It seems like many of the most popular mods feature advlt content so there must definitely be a demand for it.

@thehunter, I find the vast plethora of advlt mods to be annoying as I cannot for the life of me find good armor mods in sufficient amounts that is not some thong and microbra for OB. Sorry, but running around with nothing but duct tape over nipbles and genitalia just breaks it for me, as it should have absolutely NO protection and looks quite pathetic. FO3, on the other hand, much much better.

Most of the, what you would call, "advlt" mods I generally tend to see as immature.

Yeah, attacking someone with a sword should make them turn into a box of cereal. We don't need realism in games, we need whatever dumb idea happens to wander by.

Oh but i agree. That wouldn't exactly be my cop of tea either. Just thought it was worth to mention.



Why?

Just because you don't personaly apperciate it?

Laughing out loud, but it's so true :rofl:

Because most of it is thong armor for H-cup women, to which I say, he's right that a lot of those "advlt" mods are often just immature fantasies.

well this is a fantasy game

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I could think of many reasons right now on why people wouldn't want nudity and six in their games.

I doubt Bethesda will allow nudity in TESV simply because it would set the ESRB rating higher(which means less sales) and it would attract criticism and controversy from people who like bash to games that feature advlt stuff such as those mentioned.

Yeah, high fantasy, not six fantasy. I've always seen the series as more of a mature one, and I would hate to see stuff added to the game just for the "lawl bewbz" effect or for fulfilling some sort of sixual desires.

Anyway, if they were to (re)add nudity I would prefer it would be just to make sense. I mean just the other day I was playing Daggerfall and doing a quest where I had to find somebody in an inn and I was searching room after room, and to my surprise I stumbled across a naked woman, and was like whoa and closed the door and left. I mean if your just walking into peoples houses randomly and rummaging through there stuff you should expect to see things like that. People are naked sometimes, it's natural.

And stuff like prostitution would be okay with me too, I mean they had it in FO3, but also only if it made sense with the environment the game takes place in.

Sadly you are probably right, Bethesda wouldn't do it because they would be too worried about the ESRB and the criticism it would gather from people who never in their life has even taken the time to sit down and play a video game. Peope who still think games is just for kids. Why in the world should Bethesda or any other develepor listen to this people instead of the fans who actually buy their games? But i wouldn't be too sure about it hurting sales. As far as i know, Mass Effect, God of War, Heavy Rain and The Witcher sold just fine. The controversy surrounding Mass Effect didn't seem to hurt its sales either. Or what about Grand Theft Auto? the most criticized videogame in history. Granted, this was more about the violence but still. Did the criticism hurt its sales? no. If anything, it probably helped the series.

Its not like I want nudity in I was trying to criticize when people have said nudity is imature or people who make advlt mods are immature nudity is not immature if ti was it would not be such a contreversial topic

I think gore is cool, but too much ends up looking silly, and if nudity is added just keep it in appropriate places.

You are getting the wrong idea of what I was saying. Listen, when I say how immature most of the advlt mods are, I really do mean it. I'm not trying to be some prude, but a lot of "advlt" mods are thong armor and micro bikinis.

Your only justification was "It's a fantasy game."

Listen, what they did in Daggerfall was alright. What I was pointing out isn't. This is a high fantasy game, not a six fantasy.

Yeah, it's annoying when I'm trying to create a little more variety in decorating my character. My male character. And the only armor mods I can find are female-only bikini mods. These kids need to get a life.

And the thing is that it's such a process to weed through all the 14-year-old wet-dream inducers and find some realistic, nice-looking armor.

This doesn't mean that Bethesda's content will be so pormographic. They can, and probably will be a lot more tasteful.

Think of it this way:

Whenever you give the public permission to post whatever they want on your website, 90% of it is going to be smut. There's no avoiding that. That's why 90% of armor, clothing and body mods are pormographic nonsense.

It is in no way a reflection of Bethesda and what they are capable of if they decide to include realistic sixual themes.

I know that, I was just pointing out the flaw on the argument that since there is a high amount of mods and mods downloaded that are "advlt," there is a demand for more "mature" things.

Something ala Daggerfall, fine. It tended to be prosttutes being naked, and occasionally when you burst right into someone's room (you rude feller!). That makes sense.