As long as they keep relationships out of it, I'm all for (implied) six and Nudity...which sounds very polyamorous of me, but I've never seen an in-game relationship done right. I'm not sure I want to.

I mean, I think the huge number of mods for it is proof of the demand.

It's just debatable as to whether or not it has a place in these games. The Arena box art might suggest it does. But, generally, the theme is mature in these games. And there is nothing mature about a 14-year-old boy's cheesy six fantasy.

which is exactly my point

I'm seriously not convinced that adding nudity to TES would add anything to the game other than pormographic quality.
I'm sorry but, I'm not in high school anymore, and I never got my kicks from looking at virtual naked boobs? That's just stupid and silly. If I wanted to see that, I'd ask my girl, and HOLY CRAP! They'd be real!
Honestly, this ridiculous need for nudity in games for some of you can only be described as a sick desire to get your kicks off. It just doesn't make sense.
"I just want it to be realistic!"
You're shooting fireballs out of your hands and summoning demonic creatures from the underworld.
Yeah, I'm sure nudity is what tips the scale for realism in this case. :rolleyes:

Just the fact that your point about realism has been contradicted a thousand times and you still refuse to pay attention, is the reason why I won't dignify this with a real rebuttal other than asking you to please READ BEFORE POSTING!!!

As for your point on nudity: it doesn't really add anything since the game is not about nudity or six. However, a classical-style temple to love and beauty without any nudity SCREAMS cliche'd, safe, and juvenile. There are times when nudity, done tastefully can add to the atmosphere. At the same time, blatantly going out of your way to avoid anything mature, as in Oblivion, really hurts the atmosphere.

In other words, a world where everyone has painted on underwear and where everyone avoids any curse word naughtier than "damn" is just as juvenile and immature as a world full of warriors in string bikinis. Fear of nudity is just as immature as excessive nudity just for the sake of nudity.

No one here has a "fear of nudity", but adding nudity to the game for the sake of adding nudity wont make the game more mature, or realistic. That's the point. It's just stupid.

And I honestly don't even know what you're talking about with that first part of your post. Care to elaborate?

Before we get back on track, perhaps disagreements in personal preference might be better served taken offline, than to continue arguementative verbal fencing that in the end might involve the mods closing the thread where the questions originally asked are decent enough.

Just because one has a personal preference on the aesthetic look of a game, shouldn't be a segue for adding a judgemental comment as a qualifier. One could have just as easily said, "I don't prefer to have naked images or NPC's in my game.", than inviting dissent just by adding "and those that do are sick/twisted/immature/perverted/pickyourpoisonouscomment." Like I have said ad nauseum here, you can indeed get your point across without the flippancy, sarcasm, and so forth. You all have great ideas when it comes to what we may want to see or not see in the next series of games, and it is saddening that we can't share that without judgement being thrown about like digital boomerangs.

For myself, I am on the fence about the gore, because atmosphere, can be just as delivering as the gore. I don't mind the gore, but when I play Resident Evil games where Leon and others have their necks snapped or chainsawed off, it is graphic for an ending scene, and even the Japanese company who developed it only issued that for the stateside audience, where over there, they kept the dark atmosphere instead. So I guess it really depends on the usage. A sword cutting off an extremity makes sense. But so does an adversary coming at you with multiple arrows as long as your arrow isn't in the heart, both eyes, and both kneecaps.

Thinking on it though, like most here, I would love to see the spells that do elemental damage do just that, freeze, burn, infect and envenom, and so forth. The way Paralyzing spells in both Morrowind and Oblivion I think were handled very well. Just need it to be expanded to maybe add some surface damages to boot for the others.

On briasts, hips, and so forth. It would be interesting if placed as stated before, where you'd expect it. A tavern room, some bathers in a grotto, a body found in the street that was stripped of all possessions, or the option for your companionable NPC's. It would have been a hoot to have a quest (I believe one of the modders did this excellently), where you are skullcracked, and wake up in a cell in your birthday suit, and have to use whatever is in your cell to get your things back. In the mod, they used a bone for a lock pick, and you had to really use those non-combative skills to work your way around to retrieve your goods and such since you're naked and unarmed. It was a good mod.

Armor has always been kind of hit or miss for my tastes. I have never been a fan of the overly large pauldrons on armor, and yet, most fantasy is ripe with it. I like what one of the modders did with the Leaves of Lorien Mod, because the armor possesses a different look depending on the six of the PC and NPC. Also, they were very good at protection and coverage, and did not need pauldrons at all, which was refreshing.

Gore: yes
six: no! Virtual six is toooooooooo nerdy... there's plenty of it on the internet anyway

I'll elaborate.

Saying, "realism doesn't belong in a game where you can shoot ice balls out of your hand," is a rather misinformed thing to say when this forum is filled with definitions of realism as, "suspension of disbelief."

The point is that magic in the Elderscrolls Universe is realistic, so using it as a point against realism is self-sabotaging and kind of annoying when we see this dumb argument brought up over and over again despite the fact that we've shot it down entirely.

And, yes, a few people here really do openly express a fear of "nudity" and "six." Something you'd also notice if you were keeping up with thread.

And of course "just for the hell of it" is a terrible reason to add nudity.

But, at the same time, "I'm a controlling jerk who can make my girlfriend strip whenever I want to see boobs" is a terrible reason to exclude nudity.

This.

I think I have a good way to phrase it.

Things like nudity, six, gore, violence and other advlt and mature themes should not be added just for having them, but should be when their ABSENCE would seem fake.

Yes, the buddha taught the path of moderation.

Complete avoidance is just as bad as complete addiction.

Ah. So we're using religious and philosophical theories as to why TES:V should include nudity. I see.

I don't see why it's so hard for you to accept that not everyone wants to see boobs in video games.

yeah I can agree that most of these kids arent even females a yet they still make female "enhancing mods" which disgust me sometimes get a life

...as to why TES:V shouldn't shy away from sixual themes and extreme violence when appropriate.

My final piece. If there is to be nudity and six, make it in the appropriate places, such as the Temple of Dibella, brothels, places of Sanguine worship, random cases of naked nords like in MW, and perhaps beserkers. Anywhere else, and it'd come off silly or out of place. When it comes to six, I'd want there to be no cut scenes, ala Mass Effect and Witcher, or a blackout/pan out with grunting noises, ala Fable and God of War. Personally, I'd rather not have nudity, but exotic garments and underwear is fine for places where those activities occur, as mentioned above.

With gore, I'm in favor of what was done in Deadly Reflex, in that the only way people are going to be dismembered is when you do power strikes (head for all weapons, body for big weapons, and hands when the opponent is blocking bare handed), or bleed to death when their throat is cut. Though I don't want it to be something outrageous as Fallout, as that is Fallout's style.

Perfectly phrased.

There are also ways of "showing" such things where "needed" without really shoving them in one's face, and only doing them "tastefully" in a few cases where they belong. Including such things as a "sort-of see it and sort-of don't" shouldn't be objectionable to all but a small fraction of the potential buyers. Having a rare few instances of gory deaths happening on the edge of vison or at off angles, and brief glimpses of skin "hinted at" more than shown (such as having that surprised person turn away or cover themselves as you entered, to convey more of an "impression" of nudity without any detail rather than actual bare skin), would be less objectionable and more believable than having body parts flying around the room and naked NPCs strolling around in the streets without a shred of modesty.

I'd expect that if I were in Rihad, in southern Hammerfell.

I have to point out that I was way more put-off by the bulging cleavages of the NPCs in the streets of Daggerfall than any of the temple nudity. I think it's more about the context than the actual amount of skin being shown.

Not sure how this falls into the argument so far but I'd rather that other features are fixed/expanded over boobs and six.

We got the point in FO3, Fable was a joke, and so was Mass Effect.

So if any devs consider this thread, please, work elsewhere first.

"Wanna know something sad? All of? the most popular mods on TesNexus are either:

A: nvde Mods

B.Skimpy Armor Mods

Or C: six mods

Honestly, are you people that sad? It is impossible to find a decent armor mod without looking through tons of wannabe porm mods centered around turning your character into something out of a porm anime. It svckes dike, figuratively and literally."

-quoted from grimjow161



that is sad I dint belive at first but whenI looke dat the elder scrolls nexus it shut me up well I can trully appolagize I am sorry shadow beast and hellmouth I normally dont use tesnexus for mods when I check their the most popular mods are naked mods how disgusting

if you want blood gore and nudity go for the pc version and get a mod I believe an E10 rating would boost the popularity of the elder scrolls series and generally speaking e rated games sell more so how much a E rated mideviel rpg sell i dont know everyone is probably going to eat it up imo.

and by the way gore does not make the game better the dead corpses in mehrunes dagon realm dint really improve the game or the story for me they could of easily accomplish this with a few scary screams to fit the atmosphere if you want limbs chopped off make your own mods or get deadly reflex or what ever gore is just ruining the profit of the console versio i not saying that becuase blood make me nuaseus and as for nudity do guys everthink about women in a respectable maner?

I just want to add a note that excellent, story-driven, character-driven video games including deep romance and/or consumated six have been done in Japan for decades. Far better and deeper than anything offered in the Western markets, including Bioware's attempts (Mass Effect or Dragon Age). Note that I stated "and/or" because there are plenty of Japanese games (of pretty much any genre) that have consumated six as well as plenty of others that do not show consumation (just confessions and completions of relationships).

In other words, it can and has been done (for all types of audiences and subject matter, too, of course). Just not in America (or Western markets, in general).

Also... six is not the same as porm and, in fact, some types of hyperviolence would fall into the pormographic definition, particularly some of the stuff I see being esposed here on the forums.

The OP had it right, pretty much, in that the selling point of Bethesda's games, as per their own statements, is to allow people to explore a world. For many people, the exploration is pointless without relationships.

However, to do this kind of thing effectively means you have to have excellent writers and character artists, and that is something that tends to be lacking in Western games, particularly as far as what companies look for through job postings. Until Western artists get away from "realism," it will be difficult to convey "emotion" effectively, and without the latter, character empathy is nearly impossible.

I use mods to make TES bloodier and more graphic, and certainly wouldn't mind if the vanilla games were already like that. However, as this thread shows, not everyone is into that. More importantly, too many parents would complain. I wouldn't want TES inaccessible to everyone under 18.

I would like it if there were some sort of non ridiculous way to have relationships with NPC's, though, and for NPC's to have relationships with each other. The utter lack of sixuality in TES outside of books and that one bar in Suran feels a bit odd after a while. Of course, the "non ridiculous" criteria could be a huge problem...

I would be delighted to know where you got this. Just about the only top-selling games that aren't rated T or M are sports and racing games, which naturally don't have much room for mature content in the first place, or the occasional "massive fad" games like Pokemon. Pretty much the only exception to this is the Nintendo consoles, which is not surprising. Early ones didn't even HAVE those games, and were rather infamous for being so strict even the image of crosses were censored out. Today they sell themselves on the family aspect and so have very, very few games with higher ratings. Most of their sales are legacy games like Mario anyway, which sell well regardless of content and are themselves originated from those times when gore and such didn't exist.

If you were going to make TES rated E you would have to pretty much wipe out all aspects of human death, probably tone down all other forms too, all but eradicating the combat aspect. In that case I think the only thing the fanbase will be eating up is you.

As stated above, I am against censoring the content in order to achieve a lower rating as I feel you shouldn't compromise the game for any reason. What I will say is that if relationships/six was implemented like on any other game I've seen it on then I'd be against it. However, I will not dismiss it altogether as I feel it could be a good thing if it was done right and add to the immersion or atmosphere of the game. Can't say as I'd really be gutted if it wasn't there, a game without it is better than one with it badly done.

On the topic of blood/gore; HELLYEAH! That was what Oblivion was lacking, the fighting animations were lacklustre in comparison to the scenery and whatnot. You want to see a hammer crushing and a blade slicing, with all the internal organs and bloodshed involved in these actions. Not that it's the reason I play TES series, but if you were to say that about everything then the games would never advance or improve. All these cries of "I don't wanna play the sims" etc. seem entirely redundant. How would a more immersive and realistic version of TES be anything at all like the Sims?

That is exactly what I am against, and now you know. As I said earlier, I'd rather not have nudity, and even as a guy, I find it offensive that women are constantly make nothing more than to eye candy in those mods. But I have faith in Bethesda that they'd not stoop to that level.

EDIT: Don't mind the edits.