I doubt hamsmagoo has any problem accepting that not everyone shares his view. Atleast that is not the feeling i get when i read his posts in this thread. You on the other hand, seems to be the one who has a problem accepting others opinion. Calling people for immature and sick dosn't seem all that mature to me. Infact i have read quite a few of your posts, not just in this thread, and you often seem to smear and make fun of people who has another opinion. Seriously, would it kill you to just respectfully disagree with other people?

Personaly, i assure you i am fully capable of accepting other peoples opinion. It's just that i'm interested in knowing why they are against it. Thats why i ask. Ofcause people has the right to think what they want but when someone utter fright that it would turn TES into a porm game or something like that i get currious about why they would think that. I mean, as far as i know, such a game dosn't even exist... outside Japan. Why would Bethesda go from no six or nudity at all (atleast since Daggerfall, as far as i know) to a game with pormographic content? That dosn't make sense and it's not what i want. I only want something like in Heavy Rain or Mass Effect. You can't possible mean that's pormography? atleast not unless you think Titanic is aswell.

I'm with the crowd that says it should be done tastefully.

For example, if I hit someone across the arm with a sword, all I need to see is them staggering and clutching the injury with minimum blood visible. If I hit them in the jaw, maybe a bloody lip. That's all I want to see. Scars would be nice too ala Fable (but actually get then in the area you were hit. I don't want to have a scar on my face when I was hit in the back). They should probably implement a way to remove scars (after all, its a fantasy world. Why can't they magic the scars away?)

It's somewhat distracting to see my guy get into a full on hack and slash fest with three other swordsmen for five minutes, then come out of it looking as healthy as he did before the fight. No signs of blood or damage areas.

By ther way E rated games tend to sell more I am not Talking about popular mainstream franchises like tetris or other legacy games I am talking about games such as patapon competing with other titles that are more mature than it is like timeshift but patapon sells more generally this is why wii sells even though its the wii becuase it is reduciong the artform to a pile or puss.

So in My opinion if you spread it to a larger Audience it will sell more and most off all I really do care about the proggresion one of my favorite franchise as for the angry forumers you will buy it regardless and why would beth really care about hardcoe fans thats already an instant buy and most of ou guys get mods and about the death thing you can easily get away with it an "E10" rating ratchet and clak tools of destruction get away with it and its an awesome game but regular E rating Not so much though as E10 is bordeline T while i think they can move in that direction

An E10 rating on TES5 would be horrible... I'd probably not buy the game.

That's what they all say you bought oblivion din't you? Rating don't affect the story and as I said your probably going mod why restrict them from improving their profits clearly oblivion sold more than morrowind even though it was the downfall of the series and the console gamers ohh welll your always gething screwd by beth anyways rating dont make elder scrolls the stories and quest do..............

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heres my views(you don't have to even read them so don't complain) if you want noodity get a bloody mod i don't play video games to look at boobs or have six, now i'm not saying it doesn't sell it does but if not having it will affect your out look on tes then i'm sorry but thats just sad. As for violence i don't mind a bit of blood but i don't want it to be overdone(i'm probably one of the few people who thinks this) look I DONT LET THE BLOOD AND GORE LEVEL AFFECT THE GAME UNLESS IT IS OVER DONE i'm with the person who said that they quit fallout 3 because it had ridiculous gore, and to whoever says that if you don't immediatly go for a game with loads of gore or violence is immature, then go join the army at front line(gores not exactly pretty there <_< ).

Blood and nudity can ad to the game, but neither should really be a focus. they don't add much.

I don't know about that. Donald is rather hot-tempered and he refuses to wear pants. Teletubbies would be much more safe... then again... i hear one of them might be gay. That might also anger some.

But seriously, E10? Why would they do that. Morrowind and Oblivion certainly wasn't children's games, so why should future games be that?

And i agree with the guy who said he wouldn't buy it then. Believe me, i'm completely serious, i wouldn't buy it. Not that i've anything against games who can also be played by kids, heck i'm playing Kingdom Hearts: Birth by Sleep at the moment but that's not what i'm looking for in TES.

The stories and the quests I'm expecting from a new TES game does not make an E10 rating. If the game is going to have a "realistic" fantasy setting, it won't get an E10 rating.

If the next TES game was rated E10 i wouldn't buy it regardless. And assuming the hardcoe fans are instant buys is a whole new level of stupid. They are hardcoe fans because they like what has happened before, if u take all that away im sure they will be like [censored] you beth as i would. Now if they are fans of bethesda, like they have crushes on the producers then they might buy it, but if they are fans of the games and beth makes a TES: Candyland piece of [censored] then im sure they will walk away, like i would. I want them to make it as bloody and violent as they can, while keeping it believable. Im not saying i want for you to wack a guy in the leg and his legs, arms, and head fly off, but slice his leg off, crush his skull, disembowel him are all things i'd be fine with, as long as its believable. As for boobs, as long as it doesnt get it an AO rating i couldnt care less.

Oh and to your "rating doesn't make TES, stories and quests do" if its rated E10 the stories and quests will all be, be a big strong hero and save the poor princess and defeat the evil dragon. or some equally kiddy [censored], in TES i want the quests where you are able to assassinate, lie, and steal your way through if you want, or be the noble hero. If tis rated E10, they wont be able to fill the game with intrigue and mystery because the little kiddies would get nightmares, or learn the wrong lesson from it. I would like my game to have quests to just kill random people, or quests to steal, as well as the noble defeat the ogres and goblins quests. Rating affects the story and quests just a much as it affects the amount of violence and death and mayhem.

OK, I haven't had the time to go through the whole thread, but I just want to add my two septims anyway;

As I have said before, as long as it is done tastefully, gore and implied advlt themes are more then ok. I actually want that. I also want gray morals, politics, intrigue, murder and desception to have a place in the game. I have no problem with showing skin, I'm a Swede after all, we see that on TV quite often anyway, but going the "OMG BOOBIES" rout... just... no.

It will probably get an M rating anyway, and as long as it is done in an believable and tasteful way... Go for it. Drugs, prostitution, executions, violence, advlt relations...

It looks like they'd have to step up the six and violence to sell more. Here are the top selling games by platform. We might notice how the overwhelming number of them have either six or violence and ratings of M or T.

Xbox 360
Halo 3 (8.1 million) Rated M
Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 (7.479 million) Rated M
Gears of War (5 million) Rated M
Gears of War 2 (5 million) Rated M
Grand Theft Auto IV (4.356 million) Rated M
Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare (4.226 million) Rated M
Call of Duty: World at War (3.35 million) Rated M
Halo 3: ODST (3 million) Rated M
Forza Motorsport 2 (2.674 million) Rated E
Fable II (2.6 million) Rated M

Playstation 3
Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 (4.77 million) Rated M
Gran Turismo 5 Prologue (4.65 million) Rated E
Uncharted 2: Among Thieves (3.5 million) Rated T
MotorStorm (3.31 million) Rated T
Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots (3 million) Rated M
LittleBigPlanet (3 million) Rated E
Final Fantasy XIII (2.89 million) Rated T
Grand Theft Auto IV (2.73 million) Rated M
Uncharted: Drake's Fortune (2.6 million) Rated M
Resistance: Fall of Man (2.5 million) Rated M
Killzone 2 (2 million) Rated M
inFamous ("nearly" 2 million) Rated T
Resident Evil 5 (1.62 million) Rated M
Heavenly Sword (1.5 million) Rated T
Heavy Rain (1.5 million) Rated M
God of War III (1.46 million) Rated M
Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare (1.455 million) Rated M

PC
The Sims (16 million) Rated T
The Sims 2 (13 million) Rated T
World of Warcraft (11.5 million subscribers) Rated T
StarCraft (11 million) Rated T
Half-Life (9.3 million) Rated M
Half-Life 2 (6.5 million) Rated M
Guild Wars (6 million) Rated T
Myst (6 million) Rated E
Doom (5 million) Rated M
Counter-Strike (4.2 million) Rated M

So as you noticed from the list, there were four game with a rating less than T. They were Myst, Little Big Planet, Forza Motorsport 2, and Gran Torismo 5. E10 games didn't even make the list. I don't know a reason why they would make a TES game with less than an M rating, but they seem to have pulled it off with a T rating for here and there. The only serious way to approach it is to set out to make an M rated game.

Have you ever played a Bioware game? From your post, I'd say no.

Because we can assume that we will be getting some type of companions, why not add a relationship line to it? It would make the storyline a bit more interesting. We don't need excessive six or nudity. six can be handled well, but in a first person game it's a lot harder to pan or crop a six scene. However, I'm not against it; personally, I would prefer it to excessive gore. I've got Gears 2 for that.

The sad thing about this is, I don't know if anyone's seen the petition on the BethBlog about how video games should be considered an art form just like everything else (movies, music, ext.), but I find it kind of funny how people want Bethesda to just set out a "limit" for a game they're making. It's like "oh yeah make sure you make it a fun game, BUT before you do that make sure it follows these specific guidelines." That isn't really the way games like this should work. Just focus on making it fun, immersive, and role-playable like TES is supposed to be. Don't even pay attention to ratings is what I think.

Why no Nintendo consoles? Afraid it will ruin your point?

TES on Wii? You are kidding me.

Yeah, wii is a niche of its own. It's like the anti-gamer console.

But why does it have such good games such as monster hunter tri and the legend of zelda seriess? while all xbox can think of is another halo clone or a fps xbox SCREAMS mainstream while the ps3 the best console imo could of had an construction set available at a price but some how bethesda din't make becuase they don't want to offend the "true" gamers that call the selves xbox players ruining my favorite franchises becuase they don't contain space marines this is why morrowind was ported to the original xbox not the ps2

Dude guess your right about the rating skimed through all the E10's they all svcked except ratchet and clank

Funny how fewer FPS there are on the PC. I shudder to think that someone at Bethesda would look at this list and make any decisions about TES5.

A lot of people choosing gore over sixual themes here.

Because it's OK to kill people, but six is messed up.

<3 America.

With some of the posts here, I'm surprised the human race hasn't gone extinct from people torturing and murdering each other, and then finding creating new life disgusting.

LOL I love this.

Of course xbox screams mainstream, that's the point.

I like how you say "imo" now, when originally, your point was that E10 rated games sell the best.

You've gone from "TES should do what sells the best" to "TES shouldn't follow the mainstream, in my opinion." (which, I personally agree with, actually).

That was a delicious red herring, sir, but I must say you're still wrong because E10 games don't sell the best, no matter what you decide to change your argument to, after the fact.

Glad to know i can make a convert outta u welcome to the M Games Rule club lol



First off, lol and now that im done laughing ill try and explain why i want blood instead of boobs dont get me wrong, i wouldnt mind boobs in the game but if its either/or, i would choose blood, because i can see boobs in realife, i cant hack a guys arm off and then set him on fire. That's the main point of video games for me at least. Doing [censored] you cant do in real life, like shooting lightning out of your hands, lifting [censored] with your mind, and hacking people to little bits. Video games are a way for us to satisfy our blood lust without actually hurting anyone.