[Add Meeh]

Continuing last thread found http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1117181-tes5-rating-blood-and-boobs/

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The absence of children definitely cheapened the believability IMO. Toilets i can do without (though it would be a nice detail) but it would have been nice to know more about the cities.

Also, i dont understand the people who worry about the rating effecting sales. Fallout 3 and Oblivion was both rated M and as far as i know, they did just fine. Heavy Rain and Mass Effect is also rated M and both feature nudity so it's not even sure the game would get an AO.

Discuss.

[Nomee]

Plenty of games don't feature children, which angers me to no end, but, yes, they would make a game space much for immersible and believable. Not like sixual content would make the game any better, just more detailed, some might argue that that is what better means. I have gotten along fine in Morrowind without the use of some mod that fills the cities with prosttutes.

[Bad News Rogers]

Prostitution i think should be left out of TES, as that is not something that fits well with the equal gender theme that Elder Scrolls has. It is much more fitting in a game like fallout

[Dean Ashcroft]

Prostitution i think should be left out of TES, as that is not something that fits well with the equal gender theme that Elder Scrolls has. It is much more fitting in a game like fallout

What equal gender theme?

[michael flanigan]

Prostitution i think should be left out of TES, as that is not something that fits well with the equal gender theme that Elder Scrolls has. It is much more fitting in a game like fallout

What? Why? Prostitution adds a darker side to the setting. It is also highly plausible that there would be.

[Kayla Bee]

Meh.

Pretty much my opinion on the matter. If things can be handled tastefully, then add it in. If they can't, then leave it out. I would rather have a lack of nudity and gore than tasteless nudity and gore. However, if it's done well, then it would add to it.

We can't assume it will be inherently good or bad to add such things because as always, it is in the implementation.

And Lordharrison, prostitution in TES is like Babylon, it's a religious ceremony. Older games had chapels of Dibella being essentially state-sponsored brothels.

[Allison Sizemore]

Meh.

Pretty much my opinion on the matter. If things can be handled tastefully, then add it in. If they can't, then leave it out. I would rather have a lack of nudity and gore than tasteless nudity and gore. However, if it's done well, then it would add to it.

We can't assume it will be inherently good or bad to add such things because as always, it is in the implementation.

And Lordharrison, prostitution in TES is like Babylon, it's a religious ceremony. Older games had chapels of Dibella being essentially state-sponsored brothels.

While I understand that this is true, I also feel that even though TES is quite obviously modeled after our own ancient history, it is it's own setting rather than a simulation of the past. Also, I don't know if I consider a religious ceremony to be prostitution. I may not be exactly familiar with how it all works but the way I envision prostitution is females submitting to males in sixual acts in exchange for money, which seems to conflict with gender equality. Also, I always sort of pictured dibella (and by association, her followers/priestesses) as a TES representation of Aphrodite/Venus. So then her followers engaging in acts of love is sort of an homage to Dibella as opposed to finding work. Once again though, my believe is that done if it is done correctly, meaning with dignity and respect of course, and with an appropriate setting, then it will work. But I envision Imperial city and a bunch of trashy ugly nord women asking me if i want to have a good time tonight, and it seems incoherent with the setting of TES. But of course, going into a chapel of Dibella with a bunch of beautiful naked women is something i could easily see happening, and if one of them offers to "show me the ways of Dibella" then who am I as a mere mortal to decline such an offer?

[Marie]

While I understand that this is true, I also feel that even though TES is quite obviously modeled after our own ancient history, it is it's own setting rather than a simulation of the past. Also, I don't know if I consider a religious ceremony to be prostitution. I may not be exactly familiar with how it all works but the way I envision prostitution is females submitting to males in sixual acts in exchange for money, which seems to conflict with gender equality. Also, I always sort of pictured dibella (and by association, her followers/priestesses) as a TES representation of Aphrodite/Venus. So then her followers engaging in acts of love is sort of an homage to Dibella as opposed to finding work. Once again though, my believe is that done if it is done correctly, meaning with dignity and respect of course, and with an appropriate setting, then it will work. But I envision Imperial city and a bunch of trashy ugly nord women asking me if i want to have a good time tonight, and it seems incoherent with the setting of TES. But of course, going into a chapel of Dibella with a bunch of beautiful naked women is something i could easily see happening, and if one of them offers to "show me the ways of Dibella" then who am I as a mere mortal to decline such an offer?

But that's not how they would have viewed prostitution in the classical age.

You view prostitution as smutty and disrespectful towards women because that's what it's like in our society. But, you have to open your mind if you're going to view the world through the eyes of someone from a different time and place. That's what roleplaying is all about, right?

[Neliel Kudoh]

But that's not how they would have viewed prostitution in the classical age.

You view prostitution as smutty and disrespectful towards women because that's what it's like in our society. But, you have to open your mind if you're going to view the world through the eyes of someone from a different time and place. That's what roleplaying is all about, right?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacred_prostitution. Considering that they have a prosttute's guild in the Elder Scrolls series, I'd say it's probably not disrespectful, or they could go on strike.

[Jonathan Montero]

He wants male prostitution too for equal gender theme, I think. Besides will prostitution be a class for player to play? :whistling:

[ONLY ME!!!!]

Gender equality is a strange thing in fantasy RPG's like this because of the gameplay angle. The player is given a choice of playing male or female and it's standard to make this a purely aesthetic decision, both for balance/fairness/modern equality issues and for the simpler reason of it being way too much development effort to dramatically chance gameplay based around the PC's gender. Equality is sort of forced on the game world by this regardless of whether it fits the setting. You might get the occasional NPC whining "boo, riding a flaming horse into battle and beheading the troll king is man's work", but in more ways than one it just sounds silly. I don't think TES has any particular theme of equality that I've noticed, it just has the same design limits as any other game.

[Brian Newman]

He wants male prostitution too for equal gender theme, I think. Besides will prostitution be a class for player to play? :whistling:

speechcraft, mercantile, acrobatics, short blade, unarmored, climbing, hand-to-hand, athletics, and restoration?

[SWagg KId]

speechcraft, mercantile, acrobatics, short blade, unarmored, climbing, hand-to-hand, athletics, and restoration?

You could probably use some blunt skill as well, for the paddle.

[Taylor Tifany]

You could probably use some blunt skill as well, for the paddle.

Yeah, I guess either put that in place of short blade or hand-to-hand.

Or just make prosttute a rank in the temple of Dibella.

[ImmaTakeYour]

What's wrong with a scene where you enter a Temple of Dibella, and you see the priestess further down the main hall standing in the glare of the sun, finishing up an incantation or prayer, then her acolytes handing her a robe as she steps off the dias? Aside from the suns rays and the silhouette of a naked figure, you really wouldn't need to "see anything". The game would "technically" include nudity, but it wouldn't be "tasteless" or offensive. Something like that would seem far less "forced" than having a temple full of people who keep indirectly referring to the acts of love, but never do anything, or having prosttutes displaying their "wares" in public for the player to stare at like an adolescent.

As has been stated, it's all about the implementation. Having a game that's "obviously" without six is just as bad as one that "obviously" includes it. Either it fits, and is there, or it doesn't fit, and shouldn't be there.

[Joanne Crump]

I'm thinking it'd be nice if they at least acknowledged that six exists as a fact of life. They all came from somewhere, and all references to six in Oblivion seemed forced, as though the characters all think it's inherently dirty. I mean, seriously. Repeat after me:

People bang to reproduce and as a physical consummation of romantic relationships.

Sure, sometimes people have casual six, and that can be referenced as well, but six is not an inherently dirty thing to be gawked at by hormonally-charged teens. It can and should be included, not as a fanservice-y means of selling games, but simply as a part of a believable setting.

[Kat Stewart]

My personal feeling on the matter.
I'm not against it, but I'm not for it either. I look at this way: if it is tastefully implemented, then I'm all for it. But if it's just in there to "be in there", then no, I'd rather not have it. No point in having nudity for the sake of having nudity. Either make it realistic and meaningful, or none at all.
As far as gore, I don't see why they should add more then there already is. I'm fine with the current gore level in the TES series.

[Nick Tyler]

Pretty much what's been said. Of course prostitution was in Oblivion in anvil, but it was nicely tucked away. I don't think proper nudity would fit in though. Maybe romance or a companion that is affectionate and all could be the way to go.

[Albert Wesker]

I don't really have an opinion about this topic at all. If TES V doesn't include it, it won't detract from the game. If it does, it wouldn't add anything. Even if it was done well, it wouldn't add anything, because personally I can live without the ugly women of TES being or Playboy magazine. Before we can have prosttutes, we need good looking women first. The strip club in Morrowind was a joke. No Argonians? Fo-getta 'bout it!

[IsAiah AkA figgy]

I'd rather they put in kids than six - for the most part, six happens in private, but the complete absence of kids is just ridiculous. If six were to be added in any capacity, I hope it is done tastefully and respectfully. I'm with others in agreeing that TES (and other Beth games like FO) handles gender differences/equality exceptionally well, so I have no doubt that they would continue to do so.

[jodie]

If there were gender equality in Tamriel, as a whole, then the orcs wouldn't be described in Morrowind as being known for their exceptional gender equality.

The truth is that every female empress in the Septim dynasty has been treated with hostility by her citizens or the council or both.

[LuBiE LoU]

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[Jenna Fields]

I still say if they'd want to get anything like sixuality they first have to master "romance".

Just imagine NPCs really showing love, passion and compassion for each other, or actual grief, hate, desires...
I'd LOVE to see NPCs sharing hugs, holding hands, kissing or show other more racial or cultural appropriate ways of displaying that, Like Argonians (hypothetically) nosing cheeks, Khajiit maybe rubbing heads together.

And while I could already see the "are you crazy" comments coming my way maybe even interracial/interspecies and also same six romances, NOT just as jokes but as actually serious matters. I mean would you join a cult that for example opposes certain "combinations" simply because of dogma or try to oppose them?

There is a GIGANTIC pool of emotions that can be explored and should be.
As "Daniel Floyd" of "Video Games And / Extra Credits" once said, video games are ART and art should be allowed to express itself in sixuality. It should not be enforced but also not forcefully removed.
And as I said before, sixual, violent and "questionable" contents should not be added just to have them, but SHOULD be when their absence would destroy the suspension of disbelieve.

[Juliet]

There is a GIGANTIC pool of emotions that can be explored and should be.
As "Daniel Floyd" of "Video Games And / Extra Credits" once said, video games are ART and art should be allowed to express itself in sixuality. It should not be enforced but also not forcefully removed.
And as I said before, sixual, violent and "questionable" contents should not be added just to have them, but SHOULD be when their absence would destroy the suspension of disbelieve.

Exactly!

[kristy dunn]

I still say if they'd want to get anything like sixuality they first have to master "romance".

Just imagine NPCs really showing love, passion and compassion for each other, or actual grief, hate, desires...
I'd LOVE to see NPCs sharing hugs, holding hands, kissing or show other more racial or cultural appropriate ways of displaying that, Like Argonians (hypothetically) nosing cheeks, Khajiit maybe rubbing heads together.

And while I could already see the "are you crazy" comments coming my way maybe even interracial/interspecies and also same six romances, NOT just as jokes but as actually serious matters.

Well put! My Khajjit and his Brenton husband would love to meet you!
Yea it will be nice for NPCs to show emotion, hmmm and here I thought that I was the only person wanting this, But how exactly will a orc kiss his partner without stabbing him? After all love is love.