For pvpers there is cyrodiil and its very promising.
PvE stuff are not very good. Except set quests world activity is bad. But since they made mini dark anchors they probably will make dark anchors spread the danger to nearby zones as long as they survive.

PvP in the game is (from what I hear, I'm not in the Beta) extremely fun. That isn't the issue at all. The issue is that NOT EVERYONE LIKES TO PVP. BELIEVE IT OR NOT. WOW. HARD TO GET, I KNOW.

Some folks like to PvE. And in that department, which is a very, VERY large department, it's extremely lacking. That = problem.

That = loss of subs. That, = game failing.

Pretty simple logic to follow there. Why release a game at all if you're lackluster in a department out the gate?

Eve is a sandbox with a learning curve about 100009009000 higher then eso. You also have a lot of freedom for emergent game play.

Ps2 is a fps that's f2p with never ending progression basically. I still don't have my stealth 4 on the reaver, I keep blowing points on [censored] haha.. It's a different kind of game though.

I'm sorry, did you beat the game already and do all the endgame dungeons, adventure zones (which aren't even out yet), group dungeons, dark anchors, find all the skyshards possible, read all the lorebooks, go through all 3 alliance zones at 50+ and 50++ and lots of other things which I can't remember but can easily be found via Google?

I didn't realize you were from the future.

More like pretty flawed logic here simply because you have NO KNOWLEDGE of whether or not 'that department' is "extremely lacking"

Honestly you come on here with your 12 posts to speak of something you or none of your friends no anything of. I guess there was a dare in your little clique. The Adventure Zones has yet to been really discussed, we, myself included, are actually waiting for the devs to go in depth concerning the topic. Granted it is a bit close but they have been dropping info left and right this last month.

The betas have been extremely limited in its scope, you would have to admit that, so they haven't yet experience any endgame because the level has been capped.

Why the hell am I even responding? I get done with work have a couple beers and i respond to people who know nothing of what they speak. I think I should go to bed.

Aeno

Yeah, you're right. With ALL of the reviews, NDA lifted, and people openly speaking about ESO, and NONE OF THEM SAYING "Oh boys you're in for a huge end game treat" I guess you're right, no one knows anything about it.

What a crock.

Because it was designed by the guy who was fired from DoAC, err, parted ways. He was known more for PvP and that's going to beget more love in ESO than PvE. They already stated it was a big part of endgame.

I personally like PvE more, PvP of this style gets old quick.

You say lacking but you don't know and no one currently does, no one has experienced endgame. all you keep saying is "I don't really know I am going based on my supposed friends in beta." Your friends have no clue either because they haven't experienced endgame. Lord you were the guys who read the first few pages of a book and decided to write the book report and wondered why you got the "F" right?

Perfect answer. People just don't seem to get that this game has a lot more to offer than just some pvp and a couple dungeons. Some people are just sheep and believe everything they hear or read, its very annoying.

The NDA isn't lifted on the only players to have tested the endgame. They can't talk about stuff not in the stress beta. The press hasn't seen it.

Apparently you're misinformed. Again.

According to dev's

Level 50= 100+ hours of gameplay

Level 50+= 100+ hours of gameplay

Level 50++= 100+ hours of gameplay

To me, that's pretty good if they plan on having that on launch. Provides more to do than pretty much any other mmorpg out there. I don't think too many players are going to have to worry about "end-game" in the near future. With the addition of content being added on monthly, or so they plan, I can't imagine people are going to get bored of the PvE content.

And lol... Even with the NDA lifted, players are only able to speak about the Beta which is literally 17 levels... And the first 2 area's... Yeah of course there's not going to be any reviews talking about end game. That would just be silly.

Guys will be through that content in the first month. One guy is reporting 50 hours to cap if you don't read anything. Which, a lot of people aren't going to care about.

You 7.8 million people playing WoW are playing WoW. And every previous attempt at getting you to play something similar has failed, unless it's gone F2P in a manner that lets you continue playing WoW alongside it. Any rational developer would give up on trying to pull you away from WoW at this point, and instead target an entirely different demographic. Even if it is a smaller one.

Also, you're dwarfed by League of Legends, which is an entirely PvP game.

Extrapolating from forum comments, based on estimated ratio of players who bother with forums versus those who do not and rough approximation of forumites: about 3.9 million WoW players believe that's the period when WoW peaked and that it has been going downhill ever since

(Numbers are approximate, and do not include ex-wow players; most of whom believe it peaked earlier than that.)

Strawman: when a person simply ignores a person's actual position and substitutes a distorted, exaggerated or misrepresented version of that position.

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/straw-man.html

That is their problem then.

People that are not familiar with MMO's are hugely uneducated at how fast hard core end game raiders can burn through content. If you think level 50 will offer 200+ hours of NEW content, you're just..misinformed. Sorry.

A lot of that content is simply not going to keep people around though.

I would bet my house that the vast majority of 'raiders' or whatever you want to call them will not consider a bunch of extra quests and a bit of PvE in PvP areas as viable end game content. Even crafting is something you do to enhance your end game potential, its not something that would generally be considered end game in its own right. Veteran Dungeons are ok for a little while, but again they're usually used briefly to gain access to higher content.

Adventure Zones would be viable end game stuff, but like I said we know nothing about them and the snippets we have got are very underwhelming.

Still the game is WoW like, questing is WoW. Abilities even though they're limited in WoWish, streamlined like WoW, samisen learning curve, world feels WoWish, item color coding is WoWish, they copied a lot from WoW so you can't suggest the devs decided to make the game unWoW like.

NDA is still in effect for those that have access to end-game content

All of these 'reviews' and 'people openly speaking about the game" are limited to the first ~20 levels (and this is only 2 'areas' per alliance + cyrodil

Soooo please stop....

It's also the businesses problem though, how do you get them to n burn through the content? I don't think anyone's figured it out.

When those players leave you might see a knee jerk reaction from zeni that spirals out of control.

Why are you still talking....? I am familiar with mmos, played wow for 6 years, raided, little pvp but mainly pve. I understand how quickly hardcoe pve'rs/raiders can clear content. BUT you keep talking as though you, oh pardon me since you haven't even made it to beta, or your friends know what they are talking about but they don't because of the level cap being as low as it is.

Seems a lot of people are worried about this game for us. ^.^, something must be up.

The guys just talking. No need to take offense.

Rofl so now to have an opinion one has to have x number of posts? Ah by the way, what's your gearscore?

As for the topic, i don't have an opinion now but i do know that i won't be buying it, and if i decide to do so, it will probably be somewhere in December or the next year.

I'm sorry, what's your point ?

Those hardcoe nerds can also beat all the raids and everything challenging MUCH faster than 'us regular, normal folk'

Please, tell me how WoW was when it first launched?
Did those hardcoe players take YEARS to beat all the originally launched content, or did they "burn through it" and wait for the next content update?

The problem is, you're an idiot.
You're comparing a game that ISN'T EVEN OUT YET to a game that has been out (and updated) for literally [censored] YEARS.