On Condole Generations:

Microsoft at least is almost definitely keeping this generation for a while with the new "Xbox360 Slim" as I like to call it and "that waste of time and money," as I like to call it, more commonly known as Kinect. However, you don't invest money in something then have it out for a week before releasing something superior. This will be there for a while.

On Platform Bashing:

Doesn't make sense. PC is versatile and has mods, Xbox is pretty consistently middle of the road for graphics and output, the PS3 is a powerhouse who'se only weakness is that it's trying to be a PC and has no identity of its own, and the Wii forces developers to be either mind-beindingly original or make shovelware, and Sturgeons Law does the rest. Ease-up, people!

On Multi-platform TES:

It's a near certainty. They have a lot of fans who use the Xbox (like myself) or the PS3, so it would not only be a reall [censored] move to not give those people anything but it wouldn't be financially smart.

On elitism:

It doesn't make you sound cool, it just makes you a jerk no matter what machine you use. Please stop, it's gonna give me a headache.

Far as I can tell complaining is an equal opportunity sport.

And you make it for the PC so it can be modded. You make it for other platforms so that folks who wish to can play it on those platforms.

It's pretty obvious that Bethesda isn't going to give up a significant share of their market by dropping either the PC or the currently supported consoles. If a new version of one of the consoles does get released in the near future, it will still be so new that Bethesda will have to think twice about switching to it, since most of the potential buyers will still have the old version. The likely approach will be that they would "port" it to the new version of the console if the new console is not "backward compatible", and if that is legally/economically feasable. Developing the game specifically for a yet-unannounced console wouldn't make a lot of sense for a variety of reasons, and I believe that you can safely ignore any comments of that type. It's just about as likely that we'll see TES V released purely as a "cell phone" game.

The hardware differences between the PC and the top consoles are probably less than between those and the less-capable supported consoles. I don't mind the animations and graphics in general being developed with consoles in mind, but the menus REALLY need to be specific to the hardware. If I'm playing on PC, I really don't want to give up usable, detailed, and informative (and individually resizable and postionable) menus for something that's got about 8 lines of blocky text (Oblivion-style). If I'm using a console with an interlaced TV screen that can only resolve that big, blocky text, then I can't really read those tiny icons, hoverable "tooltip" information boxes, and tiny fonts (Morrowind-style). Changing the menus to suit the capabilities of the machine it's intended for would probably stop about half of the complaints (especially those "elitist" PC-user gripes about the "dumbing down" of the interface). The "dumbing down" of the game mechanics has nothing to do with the hardware, and is more about the style of play that various marketing segments prefer.

Develop on PC first. Make expansions. Make Goty edition with everything in it. Port that one to consoles. By that time 360 is ancient history, and new consoles are better than best PCs today. Everyone wins.

They might as well. In the past few years I've been waiting for the GOTY edition to get cheap before I buy the game anyway when the company makes lots of expansions. I'm waiting to get Fallout 3 GOTY down to $25 before I play it.

I can't believe there are still people complaining about the consoles. Bethesda are making console games as well now, as evident from both OB and FO3, and that's the way it's likely to stay. It's very selfish of people calling for cutting out consoles completely because of some of the detrimental effects that has on the PC release - by removing the console versions you leave half of the fan base out in the cold. I originally bought OB for the console, and have since purchased the consoles version of FO3, and the PC versions of Morrowind and Oblivion. So I am both a PC user and a console user, and would like to say I enjoy both immensely. Now let's end this petty feud between console and PC, accept that the next game will be on both in all likelihood, and live together as one big happy Elder Scrolls loving community! Hugs for all!! :hugs:

As for the next gen consoles, I don't want to have to fork out ￡400+ to be able to play TESV, or more than that for a PC capable of running it, so I hope it's on the current generation. And the 360 Kinect and PS3 Move pretty much rule out the chance of the next gen arriving any time soon, so TESV will probably be on the PS3. ^_^

Just watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlryxEZMAd4. Bill Gates says that graphics are getting 'realistic' at the release for Doom. Ten years from now we're very likely going to look at Crysis and laugh at people thinking it was 'realistic' at the time. The fact is, people have been thinking that graphics are near photo-realistic for the past 15 years. Yet time and time again they are proven wrong. There is a long ways to go until realistic graphics are reached. I don't even think we'll ever reach it. As we come close I think game designers will opt to take a more artistic approach to graphics.



I agree with most of the stuff you said, but TESV would never be announced at E3 2011 because it's too long of a wait and Bethesda has never announced anything there before. In the case of Oblivion and Fallout 3 they had announced the game beforehand and then showed demos at E3.


All of those predictions of new consoles are just that, predictions. I'm sure if you were an economic anolyst in the 1920's you would be predicting the stock market to continue to grow up until the day it crashed. The sheer fact that you are using multiple search engines to pull up random articles is proof that you have no reliable source. If you don't have a source, then this is just speculation. Halo 2 was released on November 9, 2004. That was only a year before the X-Box 360 was released. By then people were well aware that Microsoft was making a new X-Box (labeled at the time X-Box2). Yet Halo 2 ended up selling 8.46 million copies world wide by November 2008. Despite the threat of a new console it was the most popular game for the original X-Box even though it was only released a year before the 360. Considering that TESV is likely not far off and the new consoles are at least 3 years away before getting released, I'd say TESV has plenty of time to reach its peek in sales figures.



Bethesda Game Studios is not making any of these new games. Bethesda Softworks is publishing them, which makes money, but doesn't fund the over a hundred man team (Bethesda Games Studios) to sit around and do nothing. Just look at past titles that Bethesda has published. WET and Rogue Warrior were complete failures. I bet you couldn't name any previous games they've published without looking them up. Now look at the games Bethesda is publishing now. Fallout: New Vegas will do really good, but they only get half the cut, unlike an in-house Bethesda Game Studios game like Fallout 3. RAGE has potential to sell decent, but it won't be a headliner as id Software is not what it used to be. Brink may sell a few copies, but I doubt many people have even heard of it. Don't forget that Bethesda Softworks isn't an independent company. Zenimax owns it. If you divide the limited cash between the studios, publishers, and finally Zenimax then the profits aren't so big.

Nope, wrong. I lose, because I can't afford a new console.

Really, people, it's not like Oblivion or fallout 3 was the best it could do.

Yeah, hugs! :clap:

Even with a few games the guys at Beth Soft will continue to create awesome games for everyone console and PC users alike.
What should happen is allow somehow a way to legally get mods to the consoles. Even if they aren't made by Beth people, without charge. It could be a good way to have the PC community to help rise the consoles out of the nilla format of the games. If they do change for them I can't see them being more then $1 or so unless they go by file size then say a quarter per 100 mb?

It will never happen. Here is why:

Consoles and the games made for them are very, very difficult to pirate.
Console makers spent billions of dollars developing ways to make consoles uniform and prevent user-made content.
Video game makers spent billions of dollars hyping consoles as being awesome and cool.
Consumers bought consoles thinking they were awesome and cool.
Video game makers have reduced threat of piracy and Consumers have less options.

It is just another example of how industry punishes legitimate users for the sins of a few pirates and their black market customers. There are essentially only two ways that consoles will ever get real options for user-made content:
1. Hackers and Pirates target consoles and make a way for us to have user-made content.
2. Everyone stops buying consoles and complains over lack of user-made content.

Hopefully, it's release isn't limited to the PC indefinitely. If a period of PC exclusivity would ultimately make the better game, then so be it. I can wait (and I can't afford a PC that could run TESV).

Hopefully, I'll be able to play it on my PS3 in short order. If it remains exclusive to the 360 for a short while, I can wait for that, too. If it's a year or more, then I guess I'll just have to get myself a 360. Obviously, the best thing for TESV would be a multi-platform release - it wouldn't be like Bethesda to suddenly cater to the PC-elitists now, after Oblivion's hugely successful multi-platform release (though that release admittedly took a while to truly become "multi-platform").

TESV is for everyone!

Agreed.
:celebrate: :foodndrink: :celebration:

Including Mac users.

ideally they would make the game as advanced as they could. turning the most powerful supercomputers today into quivering piles of mush if running on max settings. that way as time went on and computer hardware improved after a couple of years the game would run just fine on max setting on the average computer. remember we wont see another TES game for several years as the production times of these games keeps getting longer and longer. an open world game like a TES game is much more difficult to make than a linear storyline game.

i would be perfectly happy having to turn the settings to medium on my current i7 quad core nvidia 285 rig. i realize that i plan on playing this game (with mods) for years to come, and eventually i will upgrade my graphics card and cpu to the point that the game runs just fine on max settings. i dont want to be stuck with a game that looks substandard after only one year. its depressing playing another game and asking "why doesnt oblivion look like this" or "man, i wish oblivion looked like this" only a year or two after its release.

I'll drink to that. Cheers! :foodndrink:

I would like it to be a PC/Xbox exclusive liek Morrowind was and oblivion should have been.

Why? What do you have against the PS3 and its community?

I'm just letting you know, this whole statement is completely false and makes you sound like a complete novice on the subject. Not trying to insult you at all. I just dislike it when others make statements which are both fictitious and somewhat inflammatory (calling us cheaters.)

There wasn't an exclusive. They just chose not to port Morrowind to the PS2, why? I don't know, possible hardware limitations?

And as FalloutFTW asked, what do you have against PS3 owners?

Even Morrowind was successful on the Xbox, more successful then even the PC version was. Bethesda has found its place into the console market. I hope PS3 players get treated more equally with TES V, though.

Right. I'll just go back to Runescape then.

I'm assuming you're an Xbox player? In all seriousness there's no good reason you could give for wanting TESV on the 360 and not the PS3, other than wanting "my console is better than yours" bragging rights.

To quote Ronin again,

And that's how it should stay.

...except the Wii, of course...

I'm not concerned with which platform it's gonna be first on, it obviously going to be multiplatform, what's important is that they take the approach bioware did with dragon age, and make adjustments according to what each platform is capable of.

Not to mention it was ported well after the fact, so even if developing on the PS3 entails some compromise (which I'm pretty sure it doesn't) it wouldn't effect the PC and 360 versions. And it does look better on the PS3 than the 360. I can say that as a 360 user, it is much cleaner and has a little more detail, and the draw distance is smoother.

I mean, I would like them to lead on development with the PC, they know how to work a PC very well. I just don't want to have to wait for and buy a new console to get my port.

Mainly because most 360 exclusives svck balls with the exception of Mass Effect and Fable. I just thought they should keep it an Xbox only game like Morrowind, and Like oblivion was before they released it to PS3. I want all a PS3 (For GOW,Uncharted,Little Big Planet,the list goes on) and a Wii (for Super Mario Galexy,Epic Mickey!) anyway, so I guess it really doesn't matter. I am not against PS3 at all I think it's about time 360 gets Blue Ray because the CD's are now Obsolete, apparantly Blue Ray holds way way more data. In fact Rockstar Expressed some concerns about whether GTA 5 will beable to be on 360 for lack of disk space.

Only problem is that all of the console that we all own would ebcome obsolete unless Microsoft did some deal where we could send it in and get Blu-ray installed, Which woudl cost to much.

The XBox 360 uses HD-DVD technology for their games, therefore there is no "space" issue between the 360 and PS3. The next generation will probably be Blu-ray, since HD-DVD did not survive the format war.