TESV: Why couldn't it have been Elsweyr?

Post » Thu May 03, 2012 9:48 pm

I think people often overlook the importance of LOCATION in the context of these games, and the impact those places and more specifically those people which occupy them have on the depth and quality of associated lore. In Morrowind, the lore was rich and mystical as the Dunmer people that lived there:

"Conventional teachings of the Tribunal Temple hold that the Tribunal were 'mortal guardians of Morrowind who walked the earth, defeated the Dunmer's greatest enemies, the Nords and the Dwarves, and achieved divine substance through superhuman discipline and virtue and supernatural wisdom and insight. Like loving ancestors, they guard and counsel their followers'." http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Vehk

Even Elsweyr with its Moonsugar plantations, vast deserts, and fertile oasis, would have been a prefered locale to Skyrim, where the climate is as cold as the hearts of it's war-obsessed people. "A vast ocean two feet deep" might as well describe their reverence for materialism and battle prowess, and complete abandonment of the matters of the mind.

How could any self-respecting sophist ever live there?

I just can't get behind the Nords, or the Dwarves for that matter. Everything they do seems against everything I value. If I had to describe them in one word, it would be: RUDE! Rude, crude, lewd, and subdued, and how they overcompensate... It's offensive!

Nothing is sacred to a Nord, except, it seems, himself!
Why can't TES:IV be Elsewhere? Or Hammerfell? I'm pretty sure the series will only end after they do ALL the regions, and then they'll have to come up with a way to re-invent the world.

TES: Redguard was on some islands; TES: Daggerfall didn't cover up the whole province; TES: Battlespire did take place in its own realm; TES: Shivering Isles (I know it's an addon) neither takes place in a province

So (future and past) TES don't have to be restricted to an imperial province.
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Margarita Diaz
 
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 11:51 pm

I think they should start all over with The Elder Scrolls and insted of calling it "TES IV Oblivion", "TES V Skyrim" they could just call it The Elder Scrolls and start with one place such as Morrowind and release every 1-3 years a new expansion that is Skyrim, Elsweyr, etc. And keep updating the game, patching up.

This has been suggested before, even before Oblivion came out.

Many people have thought that just adding the new provinces to the old game would be far better than making new games. It would make it very difficult for them to introduce sweeping changes to systems like Magic, though, which they often do.
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Post » Fri May 04, 2012 10:04 am

Would have been nice, maybe next time.
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Post » Fri May 04, 2012 6:55 am

I dont think an ES game will ever take place solely in one region that is dominated by beast folk. I dont think seeing Khajit 90% of the time would interest the more casual fans. I think they would combine it with Valenwood or something instead of it being its own stand alone.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 11:27 pm

I'd rather have had it in the Black Marsh...

this, too many hair balls in Elsweyr
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 10:57 pm

I think the beast races would interest both hardcoe and casual fans. The beast races are very popular in many games and movies, and there's an originality abyss in the fantasy games market that could be filled quite nicely with a game centered on the beast races.
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Post » Fri May 04, 2012 3:55 am

All I can say is: Tauren, Worgen, Goblin, Troll, Orc!

EDIT: Tauren, Tauren, Tauren!

To which a good number of people (considering threads I've seen on WoW, D3, KoA, etc) will reply "Cartoony! :yuck: " Art style and tone has some effect. What people might accept more in a stylized/"cartoony" (hate that term) game, they might not in a more "realistic" game.

(On the other hand, as long as they still let you make your character any race, and people can make their pretty humans, it could be fine. Of course, then there's all the people who came saying "do I have to be a Nord Warrior?" because that was what the advertising showed. :shrug:)
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Post » Fri May 04, 2012 1:13 am

Doing TES V in Skyrim was the most brilliant card the devs could have played. Here's a question for you, do you want Skyrim done on a next gen console, or would you rather have Skyrim done now on older console hardware and have the more cutlurally-rich and more beautiful landscapes done on the next gen of consoles, where they can get much better visuals, better peformance and a lot more on the screen at any given time. I think these guys brought all of the, as yet, unvisited provinces to the table and really looked ahead at the possibilities and decided that cold, bland, redundant Skyrim would best be done now, and save the more vibrant provinces for when better console hardware comes out. I see your point, about there being better places in Tamriel to explore both land-wise and lore-wise, but just be patient. Skyrim is still a pretty damned good game and Elsweyr or anywhere else will look that much better in TES VI. Note, I use console as the base not because I play on Xbox, but because BGS tends to program for the lowest common denominator, which is consoles right now.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 8:19 pm

The khajiit dont have intellectual convo so i imagine their lore and quests won't have any more substance or be more thought provoking then skyrim. This one gets annoyed when khajiit speak this way in 3rd person...a whole game of this would be torture.

Also the nords dont suffer from their own lore, they suffer from bad story telling and dialogue like every other TES game...skyrim is full of rich history and lore that doesnt get imagined well by bethesda

Even though in game manuals, Khajiit are described as "Hailing from the province of Elsweyr, they are intelligent, quick, and agile."

The Khajiit speaking in 3rd person isn't a sign of lacking in intelligence, it is actually a psychological sign of narcissism, and not all Khajiit speak in the 3rd-person. Just look at J'Zargo, who is clearly a narcissist, compared to J'skar in Oblivion, who is not.

The ironic part is that there appears to be a lot of lore on Khajiit already, but it is not well understood and ambiguous. "q'zi no vano thzina ualizz" -- "When I contradict myself, I am telling the truth." I think the primary desire for an Elder Scrolls game in Elsweyr can be justified by a desire to clear up the lore and make it more concrete; this, and Khajiit are just awesome and some people want to see some of the other Khajiit forms in HD graphics.
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Post » Fri May 04, 2012 8:08 am

Why do you want TeS V to be else where? at least say where you want it...
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Post » Fri May 04, 2012 7:36 am

After TES IV came out there were a lot of polls on where people wanted the next TES to be set. Skyrim was usually way ahead and Summerset Isle 2nd (don't blame me, I never voted for either of them).
Bad Bethesda, listening to your fans :nono:
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Post » Fri May 04, 2012 2:17 am

My guess is they're not considering the beast provinces for the next installment, although I would love it to happen. I also think they already know where it will be set, they (or at least Todd) must have a longer term plan for this series, I don't think they read the forum polls for inspiration, or else Black Marsh would be set in stone by now.
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Post » Fri May 04, 2012 12:03 pm

From what I been hearing, they're going to be treating the DLC as expansions rather than just packs. So there is a possibility that they might send us into other locations.
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Post » Fri May 04, 2012 6:56 am

It'll be High Rock for the next game, I think. They probably feel they've doen Hammerfell a few times, and High Rock is a human dominated province. Plus they can mix in conflicts with Orsinium as well.
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Post » Fri May 04, 2012 7:29 am

That's almost the excact same thing I've heard from someone describing a Norwegian and the kingdom of Norway (being a norwegian myself I wouldn't say it's completely true ofc, but what do I know?)... I guess that's why I love Skyrim
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 9:41 pm

Well afaik its a desert, which is probably too similar to the Wasteland they did for Fallout 3. Maybe they just wanted to work on something different from that.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 10:37 pm

i want them to make a game in Elsweyr, because i love the lore and the race. (also one of the coolest voices in skyrim, i wish there were more to talk too)

but at the same time i dont, i have my own thoughts of what Elsweyr looks like:
-Something akin to the jak 3 desert at night. sweeping sands with bits of mountain breaking it up, caves that run through the mountains or down into deep caverns or long buried ruins, flickering torches in the distance revealing the presence of small settlements out in the desert that you make your way to in the moonlit night as the warm breeze plays at the sand on the ground.
-then you have your oasis, clear blue water surrounded by tall trees to keep the sun off you for a little bit as you take a brief respite from the desert.
-as you head south through the desert you enter the jungles, sandy trails weave through these thick jungles, bits of old ruin peer at you through the dense flora as you make your way south to the glistening sea, were its shores are said to capture bits of the moon itself.


. . .I really like it :D

i almost dont want a game to take place as im sure something bad will happen to it, i certainly dont want a cival war to take place, but i think it might be a little boring if nothing happens :)
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Post » Fri May 04, 2012 12:17 am

It's certainly not just desert, it's varied enough to be appealing to explore.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 10:10 pm

One reason: Fur Shading The current consoles are too weak.
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Post » Fri May 04, 2012 8:34 am

if i can recall i dont think there is going to be another TES on current gen consoles
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Post » Fri May 04, 2012 7:52 am

If the rumored console hardware specs are true, the next generation won't be able to pull that either, given the open world, tons of clutter and all.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 8:13 pm

I would bet that the next game will be in High Rock, with a much stronger emphasis on magic than in TES V. With this game, whether you love it or hate it, you must admit that the game was transformed more into an action/combat game to reach out to a larger fanbase (not a flame to the devs, just true).

I think (and dearly hope) they will return to the roots of TES and give magic a very large role in the game in the Breton-inhabited High Rock.

I, personally, think that would be a refreshing turn for TES, especially since I found the College of Winterhold rather lackluster in Skyrim.
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Post » Fri May 04, 2012 12:42 pm

Well I for one love Skyrim as a setting and I am glad they chose Skyrim for the location of this game. I love the snowcapped mountains, the Nordic lore and culture, and the harsh gritty barbarian way of life in Skyrim. Of course I also love playing as a Nord (played as one in Oblivion most of the time). Of course I live in a desert IRL so a desert region like Elsweyr has the least appeal to me.

Also compared to most people that post here I would probably be considered "casual" as this and Oblivion are the only TES games I have played (tried Morrowind but felt too dated for me) and I love how Skyrim especially has an LOTR feel to it.
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Post » Fri May 04, 2012 12:22 am

If the rumored console hardware specs are true, the next generation won't be able to pull that either, given the open world, tons of clutter and all.
Maybey but games have cloth and hair physics already in this generation, why would be Khajiit fur different.
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Post » Fri May 04, 2012 1:14 am

If you followed Skyrim's pre-release marketing, you'd notice that Bethesda tries to appeal the series more to audience who would find stuff like a feline people to be dorky and stupid. I think it's extremely unlikely we'll ever see a TES with a beast race as the main setting as it would be deemed by the publisher as unattractive.

Sadly, I believe this is true.
Still, I'd really like to see a game set in Elsweyr or Black Marsh one day. All the humans have bored me so much. I guess I can dream.
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