Have a little faith, my brothers, it'll work out. We only know "whats on paper" so to speak. And whats on paper, will be a lot different when we actually play the game. Then after a few weeks we can come back here and relate our experiences.

Wouldn't that produce the opposite effect? The whole reason Lvl scaling got in, was because things became too easy in Morrowind.

Perhaps the biggest down side that I can see to the new system is that you're going to have to be careful about how many dungeons you visit at lower levels. If you visit too many, then you're going to be stuck with a lot of low level dungeons when you get at higher levels. That would definitely affect the difficulty of the game.

Yes. Morrowind was a joke at higher levels.

So at level 1 I could walk into a level 20 dungeon and have the battle of my life with a level 20 bandit with level 20 armor? That would be a cool high risk high reward system.

That would be cool, but I want to see it before I can believe it.

Multi-floor dungeons where all floors have separate level-ranges and lock separately is a pretty good idea.

Each dungeon has a specific level range, it's like morrowind (which had set levels?) and oblivion (which scaled).

If I understand your question right, then no. You walk into a dungeon at lvl 1 and it becomes a lvl 1 dungeon. You walk back into the same dungeon at lvl 20 and it's still a lvl 1 dungeon.

Not if top-level enemies are designed to be a challenge for top-level PCs and if getting god-like loot isn't so easy. Power-gaming also doesn't help.

You should basically have to flee from or avoid enemies that are too hard for you like they are the plague when you are low level, and at mid-level a single-high level enemy should be a god-like epic boss fight. At max levels, a single high-level enemy should be a bit harder to take down than low level enemies were when you were low level. In other words, if you see a Gloom Wraith equivalent when you are levels 1-15 (and you should be able to) run like hell. If you see one when you are levels 15-30, maybe run like hell, or if you are good and its one on one, prepare for quite a fight, if you see one at levels 30-50 it'll be a moderate test of your skill, and if you see 2 or 3 of them at once at level 50, it'll still be a deadly situation. It's not an easy thing to balance, but good things are often not easy. The numbers of the levels aren't exact in my example, just numbers for the sake of numbers don't get bogged down on the exact level ranges.

exactly.



and I HOPE that items are not leveled, PLEEEEAAASSEEE NO. If I bob and weave through a level 25 dungeon at lvl 12 and somehow find an item of awesomeness and get out breathing, I DESERVE IT AS IS.

That's not the fault of the leveling system. If there where more high-end dungeons in Morrowind it would stay challenging even at higher levels.

If Bethesda looks how strong an average level 50 with maximum perks chosen character is, and makes enough dungeons that are challenging for this kind of character it won't become too easy for high levels.
They maybe even could make a hand full of super high level dungeons that are actually meant to be 'too difficult' for a level 50 character, so you have to be a legendary warrior with a small army of companions to survive, or a complete master thief to sneak in and out with the loot undetected and unharmed.

That totally depends on the level range of the dungeon. If it's 20+, it will be locked at level 20 when you enter it at level 1.

Exactly. It's the best of both worlds.

THANK YOU, LEVEL SCALING LIKE MORROWIND PLEASE! OR EVEN NO LEVEL SCALING WOULD BE BEST!!!

It's better than having bandits with f**king daedric armor. Did you see any raiders with plasma rifles and power armor?

That's not quite right, dungeon's have a certain level range, like 1-10 or 20-30, both can entered when you're level 1, the 1-10 dungeon will be locked in at level 1 when you enter it. If you enter the 20-30 level dungeon at level 1 it will be lock in at level 20. It is a great system because if you enter a high level dungeon at a low level you will get you ass kicked, if you enter a low level dungeon you'll plow through the weaklings, making you feel badass. If you enter a dungeon that's level range includes you level (like entering a level 20-30 dungeon at 26, the dungeon will be locked at 26, offering you a fight that's not too easy or too hard, because it is the same level as you are. if you come back later it will be locked in at the level you first came it, so you will either dominate a place you barely cleaned out before (making you feel powerful and that your skills have improved, something OB lacked). Or you will finally be able clear out a place you had to run screaming from before, giving you same effect of advancement. And at the same time if you entered dungeon that higher than you could run in grab some sweet swag and escape with your life which adds a great risk/reward facter as well.

Do you think they might have 10-20 dungeons while also having 15-20 giving more variety or would they not mix them? Granted that's just a random guess.

If I was to guess I would say 5-10, 10-20, 20-30, 30-40, and 40-50. but that's just how I would do it. And base which range each dungeon falls in by location and inhabitants/loot.

This sounds pretty reasonable. I like it.

Like someone suggested what about legendary dungeons that you need an army of heavily equipped followers to take down. Like knights of the nine but 3x as hard with a legendary humanoid boss like umaril+jygallag combined or maybe mannimarco (true strength not oblivions)

it would be non quest. But the players mind. They would also be hidden well .

Are you going to train me in the ways of the jedi?

edit: got it in the nick of time but now it makes no sense.

Sorry, I was on my phone and had to be finished about 30 seconds before I finished the post.

For better or for worse, yes. Though I doubt many people will care, as the vast majority hate monotony so much they will go to the other side of the map if they have to, just so it's a place they haven't been in.

Preselection is meta-game, it ruins immersion. But I agree nonetheless, because I'm that kind of player