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Anyone who doesn't see that the NCR are the good guys and the Legion are the bad guys is trying very, very, very hard not to see it.
Nobody can justify crucifying people, auctioning woman for six, and slavery as "just trying to rebuild" society. The game itself would have been better if it had just admitted to itself that The Legion were the bad guy and let players be evil and side with them instead of trying to put this mask of "just their point of view" on. It's just corny when you see how obviously bad CL is.
I respect the effort of trying to blur the lines, but it wasn't done as well as it should have been. If you wanted to make the Legion seem like a legitimate choice for bringing order to the wasteland, then they probably should've given them some more "good" characteristics other than they "zomg-ness! they don't tax people! how noble of them!"

Lets start here. well Same could be said about Fallout 3 suffering from sequel-itis. not playing the first 2 games and being ignorant is not an excuse. they made this game with a 3 at the end. they did not reboot the series. and they borrowed so many plot elements from the first two games i think the original developers should get royalties.



the atmosphere is different from a post apocalyptic setting. as stated in the story Vegas is supposed to be a shining jewel in the radioactive wasteland of the rest of the country. and there is no hand waving being done with the NCR. if you played the 1st two games you would know that there has been considerable progress made in the past 100 years. starting off with survivors of vault 15 creating a small sustainable town in the california wastes named shady sands. after a run in with the Vault Dweller, and seeing what one person could do in the wastes, inspired Tandi to Expand and try to help others in the wastes. after about 87 years of forging trade agreements and forging a strong economy. and the NCR was born (sometime between fallout 1 and 2). and from there it grew to encompass most of Cali. the Gun Runners have been Manufacturing and reforging firearms for over 100 years as well. it was Bethesda's decision to place fallout 3 two hundred years away from the Apocalypse. i can say that fallout 3 feels too Post-apocalyptic for the date it was set in Radiation has half-lifes and would be at much lower levels. did you know its recommended that you only wait 200 hrs before leaving your shelter after a nuclear exchange? its the rule of 7's (lol while trying to find a good reference to the rule of 7's I came across http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Radiation on the vault wiki ) . plus humanity (i dont care how mutated or broken) will progress alot in 200 years, its in our nature.



because they would have to pay royalties for the building likenesses (yes they do that crap). doing it how they did, they could pay homage to Vegas back when it was Sin City and not the corporate monster it is today.



the West is where Fallouts Roots are. and its logical to go back to see how the Core Region is doing in the past 47 years since fallout 2 (atlease in references)
Again it was Bethesda's decision to place fallout 3 two hundred years away from the Apocalypse. I think the capital wasteland should be very much different from how it was portrayed in FO3. I mean the BOS was there for 30 years and couldn't make ANY headway vs the Supermutants? thats poor leadership



There are No Good or Evil factions in this game. and you can do almost all quest in this game regardless who you chose in the end (I've done it my self.) depending on what order you do them you may cut your self off from other quests for other factions. but back to the Good / Evil. to paraphrase Obi Wan "its all according to your point of view" Caesar does things differently than what "we" would consider a civilized person should do. But when he Subjugated his 1st tribe, he wasn't in a Civil location. and most of the tribes he Conquered were not civil in the least. just because the NCR is the most relatable faction to most Westerners, it is in no way the "Good" faction. its just as corrupt as modern governments. with the rich pulling the strings to make the govt move to protect the interests of the rich. House is his own beast.

try to think outside the box. don't believe what your told by someone. most people have their own agendas. talk to both sides before rushing to judgement.

but thats just my take on things.
and I do not mean to come off as condescending.
im just stating facts from the 1st 2 games, if I do I'm sorry its not meant that way I just cant think of a better phrasing to get the point across

. It's not a Wasteland, it's a Frontier. And part of this is also due to Vegas's story. Perhaps if more nukes had landed outside of Vegas, it would be more interesting.

About the royalties? They could easily have changed the names. Grand Theft Auto does it with ease. Furthermore, the Flamingo was built in 1946, hence why I speculated the Chairmen, the most authentic Sin City gang, would populate it. Instead they chose to invent Casinos none of us would recognize, save the Stratosphere (which had its name changed to the Lucky 38, go figure).

Finally, some of us like to play the game from a Role-Playing perspective. Therefore, our Courier wouldn't switch allegiances and jump around for the sake of "completing all the quests." He would pick a faction and run with it (most likely. I assume that the Yes-Man root allows more freedom). Therefore, we don't have this option. The quests are stacked in favor of the NCR, instead of being spread evenly. Furthermore, I recognize that the NCR is corrupt, and that's why I never side with them. But in comparison to sixism, cannibalism, and the regressive philosophy of the Legion in regards to technology, they come off as white knights. The Legion wasn't made to be gray. They were made to be "Always Chaotic Stupid," evil to the point of idiocy, and not in a "we're better than you" Nazi way, as was the intent, but a "We're da Orks, Ork Ork Ork!" way.

Totally agree with both of these key factors !!!!

DLC for continuing i feel should defo be implemented otherwise whats the point of killing the NCR/Caesar etc.. if you dont get to see the effect if has on the people in the game??

They were made to be "Always Chaotic Stupid," evil to the point of idiocy, and not in a "we're better than you" Nazi way, as was the intent, but a "We're da Orks, Ork Ork Ork!" way.

So I really like New Vegas. I do. Love the story, the companions, the weapons, almost everything.

But there seems to be something missing. Something that F3 had that made it so good. Something that NV is missing.

It's weird. I can't pinpoint exactly what it is.

What do you think is missing from NV that made F3 such a memorable experience?

I miss the sense of fear and awe I'd get in DC. Sure FONV has a few fear/awe moments, but nearly as many, or as stunning as FO3. Remember the first time you ran across the super mutant & beohemouth vs. Talon co. fight in the capital building? Or the first time you got to GNR when the cars blow up to your left and out pops this pissed off beohemouth bearing down on you. Or any time you leave a building or subway and a squad of talon mercs/regulars are waiting for you. Each time I was thinking holy %@*% . I just get that feeling in FONV.

***snip*** Also at a certain point of FO3 bam Enclave all over the map. Just made everything seem more threatening.

and the overall detail, detail, detail that Fallout 3

What details. it has more holes then a cheese, some things doesnt ever makes sense (Megaton and Tenpenny Tower to be the worst offender)

What details

The game was black and white. No making everyone love you. NPC groups thought for themselves.

Then nv endings have flaws that take you out of the game and makd it feel cheap.

The scavenging. In Fallout 3 there were huge awesome places to scavenge and enjoy. For example, The National Guard Depot had a lot of stuff in it including the MIRV (Overpowered though) but still I felt good when I got the the other stuff down there too. 150 hours of fun but I did have to move on. Though I do like New Vegas its just I think Fallout 3 had better scavenging experiences.

Yes. Yes. Yes! I've never gotten that "WOW" feeling in FONV. The Behemoth at GNR was a huge surprise the first time I encountered it. I screamed like a little girl and ran, but it ran up on me and 'whack' I was dead. Also, trying to get through the mutants in the Mall. It was like running the gauntlet to get to the museum of history to get the satellite dish. Fabulous! I was so addicted to FO3 when I first discovered it. And really excited about FONV. But I was disappointed. It's still fun. It just doesn't inspire so much awe as FO3 did.



Yes. I wish they had done that with the Legion. They should be doing more raiding parties and generally being a nuisance. Instead they stay, for the most part, in their camps and they are easy to kill.

Walking past the church in Rivet City late at night and overhearing Seagrave Holmes trying and failing to seduce Vera Weatherly... that's the sort of detail I miss in NV.

but I thought it was amazing starting as a baby in the vault