Hi I was wondering as a fan of Fallout 3 and the rest of the series is this what 1950's sources did they use in creating this setting?, also the one area of the setting I have a minor bone with is Canada, being a Canadian myself I can't fathom that we just roll over when the USA took over are nation.


LW

Well in fallout1 if you watch the opening sequence you see two American soldiers in t51b power armor executing a Canadian freedom fighter, so they didnt give up without a fight... its just they lost.

For the source... I think they just used the 1950s culture and stuff as reference.

Well look at the bright side, ya get some part of the remaining resource left with the US. As for reference, its the idea that what would the timeline be like if the 50's style continue into the future (with the 50's mentality of what they expect and what does not exist in our time).

Ya can read more about it here: http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Divergence

Well simply due to the fact, that US Forces(especially the US Army), were already running troops up the West Coast to defend Alaska, it would cut off 1/2 of your nation's Navy/Trade. Secondly, since Canuck/US cooperation during any form of Cold War was always quite high, there would have been a significant number of US Forces on post at most of your RCN Dockyards, RCAF Stations and Army Barracks(which would make intel gathering fairly easy). Finally, the Canadian Government of the 50's was starting to push away from loyalism in favor of nationalism, so it would be very common especially in the Western half of your nation, where the majority of the population is made up of Eastern European immigrants, who favor American style democracy.

Well the main reason I asked about the 1950's sources is the simple fact that I'm creating my own version of 1950's version of 21th Century, that why I figure that Canada would be better off in this type of setting after 1945 like Avro being still operational and the Arrow was built and there Jetliners as well, also there Canadian spy agency isn't a running joke in this setting as it is in our world.


So in this world they decided to work on Atomic tech then Transistors, hence why there is Fusion powered cars.



LW

Most likely what your nation would look like(just add the retro-futuristic spin obviously):

A Retro-Futuristic Canadian City:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c0/Royal_visit_Union_Jack,_Eaton%27s,_Toronto,_1919.jpg

A Retro-Futuristic look at the Canadian Army(Canadian Provost Corps)
http://www.mpmuseum.org/un/uniforms/bcf.jpg

The Canadian National Flag:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/97/Flag_of_Canada_1921.svg

Try McCarthyism, the ultimate war economy we never dreamed of, coupled with ideas from the John Birch Society and you have the ultra-right wing 50-ish United States of Fallout.

What the others sayid..

Plus, the US was one of th e last superpowers after the resource wars.. it would be safer to ally/be absorbed by a still semi-functioning nation when all others are toppeling. than to stay as your own.....
i mean.. if you stayed alone, you would run the chance of
1) the US plundering you to gain any rewqources they could tos tave off adversaries
2)your country would be the frontline for the US' adversaries trying to attack from along the border

Just the way it went down..

Well for one Canada didn't ended up after WW2 having it's armed forces winowed away due to the whisperings of the USA, now I also figured out that Japan would still have to be under a USA vicerory to prevent the rise of the Transistors and there companies from owning half of the world.

Unlike in Fallout 3 the society of the USA would be as sqeaky clean as shown in the game, the 50's was the decade of ism's such, as sixism, Racism, and Nativism in the USA. I figure Canada would more inlighted then the USA, I figured out that Canadian Armed forces would be based on the England, and so would there my spy agency as well much better then the CIA. Also the Laser and Plasma guns and riles wouldn't be in the hands of the common suburian it would be in the hands of the armed forces and spy agents.

LW

If anything, Canadians would be more racist, sixist and nationalistic than the United States(this is due to Canada having a much larger European population and a far more codified WASP society). Also Canadians would be a lot more into loyalism, with the Union Jack, and the British Monarchy being a large part of your nation's society. As per your nation's armed forces, yes they would be very British in tone(ie: RCAF, RCN and Canadian Army).

Actually, the US's Racism stems from the African Slave Trade. Unless Africains (or any minority) were treated as property, second-class citizens, or less than human in Canada since they were a colony, they can't be racists.

Canucks treated their non-Anglo-Saxon population as 2nd class citizenry.

Proof?

No offense, but we US citizens aren't taught much about racism in other countries. We pretty much know that the US and South Africa are struggling with it, but that's about it.

Go to the midwest of Canada and listen how indians are talked about sometime.. Racism was and is still very much alive there.

There are still racist people everywhere.. Cultural differences alone can be a catalyst for it.. Slave trading also wasn't just a US thing. Canada is a lot like the US- a melting pot, i wouldnt say just because a family migrages to canada that they would change their outlook on other peoples.

I would think it would be more difficult to prove that there wasn'nt racism in canada.

anyhow......

50's pulp sci-fi, B-movies, McCarthyism, and a touch of A Boy and His Dog and A Canticle for Liebowitz.

Well to be truthful no nation is perfect specially during the 1950`s, well in Canada for a twist in time there was a chance in monteral to get rdi of the Mafia in 57 with relection of mayor who wanted reform. I our world the ballots were stuffed with the help of Goons armed with Baseball Bats, not only would have a major source of Heroin would have dried up for the states but there wouldn`t French pipeline of that drug into the USA, this would have in my mind leading other Canadian cities to be Iron tuff on the Mob and kick them out so to speak. In this setting the USA mob knows for a fact that Canada off limits so to speak, if they want still breathe that is.

Now also Jets would have still be have made such as the Arrow, the UN wouldn`t be a force that hasn`t lost teeth in grand scheam of things,


LW

what about quebec ? ( the french province)

we surely would not side with the union jack.

That's the fallout world, if it turned real, I wouldn't give a [censored], I would just move to a different country.

But..uh. *Cough*Canada svcks*Cough*

Honestly, you'd probably see even more loyalism/displays of the Union Jack, due to the fact that your nation never would have endorsed French.

One theme they use is the lax safety standards that the early part of the industial revolution is known for. If you read some of the terminals the various factories, they were doing things that would have caused 100's of lawsuits today. In the nuka cola plant, for example, they mention the trial tests for nuka cola quantum, and many people died or suffered horrible injuries, yet they kept it up till they got it right.

things were a lot different back then..
theres actually a face cream that boasted it radioactive properties as erjuvenating..

Osha was getting started up aground then.. iirc

Well true about Canada in this Fallout world being so to friendly towards Qubec are French Canadians would suffered under British Canadian rule, Now one thing that Fallout doesn't mention is England and Europe in this 1950's future. I've got Minstery Space graphic novel it get me a clue what England would look like if they had a source of steady cash to keep them as a world power,


The other thing is that I would keep directed-energy weapons out of the hands of the common people, I mean it would have stayed with the Armed forces and groups like the CIA.


Now in Canada I figured that we would still have are armed forces, navy and air force. Also Avro would still be operantional making Jet planes, without Transistors that is.


Red Russia in this setting I figure would be more power then in our world dispight in Fallout 3 the Chinese are only shown as Red attacking force in the game,One of the ways USSR could be stronger is the fact that have full control over Germany.

LW