Well said Oggie221

The lore is a different story. I've always looked at each Fallout game like a chapter in a book about what happens after WW3 in this alternate universe. I figured all the Fallout games were considered canon. I just cant see them allowing a game to be release and then saying. It was a fun game, but none of it really happened. It was all just a dream!

FONV is published by Bethesda, so FONV is very much canon, unless you suggest that Bethesda endorse something only to declare it non-canon. (Not very likely)

Fallout uses a combination of genetic engineering, radiation, and FEV to explain how animals turned into the deadly enemies of Fallout. So it is not just an issue of radiation mutating animals.

Some computers can work 200 years (~1977).....my computer can only run 5 year and pass away...

Good point on the gens. I'm afraid our building them is just too stupid unrealistic to even consider though. At least for me it is. We can build gens because its a game and power is fun. Adding that to canon is beyond me. It'd break my immersion just thinking about it.

Maybe some people said this already but I believe the main problem comes from the fact that the biggest "thriving metropolis" in this game is a shantytown within a baseball field. A lot of Boston's buildings are standing and people decided to imprison themselves into a small baseball field instead of utilizing the standing apartment buildings around town? In NV, Vegas city was at least used. The actual buildings were in use and if I remember correctly, most of the city was inhabited. That game wasn't realistic either but at least we saw what people would do in war torn situations. It would have been nice if instead of diamond city, we got a city that encompassed central Boston with a few skyscraqers as well. Maybe the city could have been divided into neighborhoods (the rich living in the towers, the poor residing in the streets, criminals in the sewers, etc). I would like the game 100 times more if there were such a settlement.

I think the closest thing to a thriving metropolis that currently exists in the FO universe is within the New California Republic way out west, and by thriving, I mean their own factories. The way FO4 seems set up, it's like the Minutemen lead by the SS will be the foundation of some east coast American nation founded on similar principles as the NCR.

It's one thing to create/found a huge city after the great war and on a seemingly endless supply of 200+ year old duct tape, desk fans, and combat rifles. It's another for a society to construct their own factories and mass produce quality weaponry and goods. Far as I can tell, The NCR and the Brotherhood are capable of crafting their own equipment (the BoS built the Prydwyn after all.) Hell, the NCR can even fight against and repel the Brotherhood, which is actually a very large entity in its own right. However the NCR apparently haven't received a single BoS turn-coat that can train NCR troops in the proper use of power armor.

In time, I can see the Minutemen if not the BoS binding the Commonwealth together as a single nation. Given another 200 years time, they might even have the same technological advancements as the Institute, provided any escaped scientists are cooperative and aren't murdered on sight by the BoS. Actually, that kind of difference of opinion might put the Minutemen and BoS at odds with each other if they weren't already.

I'm under the impression that super mutants are making development of the city extremely difficult and that its pretty much under siege. Everything outside the walls is mutant territory. Lord knows how the people farm or get any supplies through what-so-ever without sustaining ridiculous casualties. Definitely plot holes here but I think that's the jist of it. I do wish they put more work into showing how these places sustain themselves despite all the conflict.

It makes sense that after 200 years the world is still in chaos, After all, the whole earth was hit by nukes. The land, the oceans, everywhere. That's a ton of radiation which would also spread due to the wind. So the radiation would be hazardous for a very, very long time.

Well, not every place is lucky enough to have the same advantages of NCR. Raiders and Ferals hurt settlements as they're constantly a problem in Fallout 4 for settlements, settlements have also been under attack by mercenary groups like the Gunners (example Quincy) then there are deathclaws, pests as big as a person's torso, radscorpions then super mutants appear. We hear of a government that was actually trying to get started but fell because of numerous problems.

NCR got lucky, basically. Caesar's Legion had a totalitarian slaver-conquering taking everything he wants and force converting tribes (tribes who could be considered individual nations that were forced to be remote and cut off from centers of learning or science), if Mid-western is still around they got tribes and settlements into their ranks through diplomacy and saying "Join us or you'll get hurt" and could end up numerous ways, D.C. had numerous problems like massive amounts of raider tribes that as far as we know are gone thanks to the BoS under Maxson pushed to strengthen the brotherhood and possibly made it a country.

Not everyone is lucky like the NCR, not everyone finds old documents telling them how to make concrete or even live near quarries to get concrete from, not everyone only has to deal with one raider tribe that once gone either leaves or stays gone, not everyone is conquered by a raider warlord trying to rebuild a past nation.

Why not use it? Its already enclosed don't have to worry too much about fencing it in. If it were me I would much rather live in the ball field than imprisoned in an apartment building where the only time you can safely go out is trapped on the roof. NV was completely enclosed, remember you couldn't even gain access unless you met specific criteria. Enclosing that probably took some serious manpower and resources. Why waste time trying to enclose an building when there already is an enclosed area?

Also New Vegas was able to be that lived in was because of House's genius and business skills. In NV you can see the Strip having run down buildings, hell the Ultra Luxe had a GIANT hole in it's ceiling. As for living in them before the families were families they were tribes that already lived in those buildings, buildings that had maintenance done AFTER the families started raking in cash from the NCR. The reason Diamond City residents settled there was because the stadium was intact and closed in. It was the perfect defense.

Star Trek technology in 200 years is still more plausible than every single other thing associated with the Star Trek franchise.

Time is a funny thing. I've lived a long time. When I was a young child I spent a few years in Mississippi before returning to Alaska. Last spring I went back there for a couple of weeks vacation and places that were shacks when I was small there, still stood despite so many years of weather, humidity, no upkeep and lack of paint. I imagined them crumbled to the ground by now but there they were. Granted it wasn't a hundred years but it wasn't far from it either.

In 1962 I was at the world's fair in Seattle and remember an exhibit where they were showing a phone of the future that you could answer and see the person on the other end. It was unbelievable. I thought to myself, no way they will ever be able to do that. A long distance call and be able to see each other? No way. And now we have skype and web cams and phones that we can do just that.

This game is fiction and the time line is what it is. But buildings still standing so close to the site isn't any more alarming than some of the small huts in Japan that remained after they were bombed nearby. In a fictional world realism doesn't really matter though believably does to an extent. But as I said, those phones where folks could see one another was not believable in 1962 but...here we are.

A lot of the things people object to in Fallout games are jokes. There's a lot of satire in the game and the lore.

Look at where we were 200 years ago, technologically, compared to today. Star Trek type advancement is far from out of the question, especially if we can avoid a nuclear war.

The setting has been taking itself increasingly more seriously. There's little in FO4 that can be called satire.

Wut? This game is profuse with comedy. It is virtually impossible to play it for 15 minutes without encountering something that is oblivious meant to evoke a chuckle. The whole damn "texture" of the game: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitsch with a https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MS4_Z84-rRE twist is a gigantic running "joke."

That was the case in the original Fallout. But Bethesda play the whole thing so straight; they've got the vestiges, like Vault Boy, but there's an increasing tendency toward "this is actually a super serious setting, guys." The only satirical elements were inherited from the first games and subsequently buried under the weight of everything else.

I disagree completely. I think they have perfectly captured the spirit of that satirical flavor you picked up on in FO1 and FO2, it is just the "jokes" are being told by different comedians. If anything, I believe FO1 and FO2 had more of a "this is super serious" feeling to them, so yeah, I disagree with you exactly 360-degrees.

Probably neither one of us is correct, but who cares anyway. They are just opinions.

Which is a complete circle. So you end up agreeing with him?

You also need to remember in-game days are shorter than real days so their years are also shorter, 200 years for them would be about 3.3333 years for us because 1 minute = 1 second and 200/60 = 3.3333

No because a circle is NOT linear. Only imaginary never ending straight series of dots are lines. I entered extra-dimensionality when I hit the 10th degree.

Yeah, I'm with you. Jokes everywhere.