The alessian Order

Post » Sat May 28, 2011 11:47 am

So i've seen the name come up several times after i began to delve into lore abit more concertedly. However i've yet to see any group of solid information about them. Forgive me for being a noob, but...

All I know is that they support the Alessian kings, who've since died out. Is there anything else?
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Talitha Kukk
 
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 3:37 am

The only thing I can think of is St. Alessia, the first leader (who happens to be a woman) of the imperial empire. She wiped out the Ayleids and made the white Gold tower into the Imperial city.

Maybe The alessian Order was a special select group of warriors or something.

That's about all I know... someone else could probably explain it in more detail though.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 4:56 am

The Alessian Doctrines are enforced throughout the Cyrodiilic Heartland and northern Tamriel. The Alessian Doctrines are very strict religious teachings of the monkey prophet, Maruhk. Maruhk himself reportedly receives painful visions from ghost of the Slave-Queen Alessia, calling for a worldwide overthrow of Elven rule and a suppression of the Elven elements of the Eight Divines. They enforce strict codes of behavior, which preclude most forms of entertainment.


By the time the Alessian Doctrines filtered down from the north along the river trade ways, these mages had become the ruling aristocracy. They were quickly superseded by the Alessian priesthood, whose inexplicably charismatic religion found purchase in the lower classes. The traditional Nordic pantheon of Eight Divines was replaced by a baroque veneration of ancestor spirits and god-animals, practices encouraged by the mutable-yet-monotheistic doctrines of the Alessian faith. The doctrines eventually codified nearly every aspect of Eastern culture. Restrictions against certain kinds of meat-eating, coupled with the sentiments of the blossoming animal cults, soon made agriculture and husbandry nearly impossible. Thus, many of the Eastern Cyrodiils were forced to become merchants, which, over time, allowed the Nibenay Valley to become the wealthiest city-state in the region. Yet, under Alessian rule, no matter how rich or powerful the merchant class became it was still a tenanted citizenry, and the tithes they were forced to pay the priesthood were constant reminders of the state's true masters.


Simply put, a religious order founded after the revelation by the monkey prophet Marukh. Very anti-elven. The Alessian Order, particularly the Marukhati Selective, tried to remove the elven god Auri-El from the dragon god Akatosh. Also brought in a pecuilar form of monotheism. Not sure about that though.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 8:56 am

Was Rislav Larich's victory over Gorieus a contributing factor to the Alessians' fall from power?

And was the Order pretty much a joke by the time the Marukhati Selectives got the wild hair up their butts about breaking gods?
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 5:13 pm

The alessians were a bunch of racists who oppressed and almost wiped out the alyeids.

I wouldn't find it inaccurate to compare alessia herself to hitler.

But maybe i'm just saying this Because I'm an Altmer O.o
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 6:19 am

For good measure I'll repeat Knight Mariel. The Allesian Order was founded by Mahkurh who received visions of the then dead Allesia.

In other words, the Allesian Order was not lead by Allesia.

Also this thread just Godwined.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 7:31 am

Alessia herself only beat the Ayleids to a pulp until they ceded defeat to her. Several ayleid kingdoms actually were vassals to Empress Alessia. It was only when Marukh got into power did things go all Alessian Inquisition.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 4:22 am

Godwined.


I know it's off topic, but... huh?
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 9:31 am

I know it's off topic, but... huh?


Godwin's Law states that as an internet discussion increases in length, the probability of a comparison to Hitler, nazis, or related subjects approaches 1:1.

It usually pertains to heated discussions when someone says it in the heat of the moment.

Corollaries to this law states that the on the occasion that Godwin's Law occurs, the discussion is effectively over and the one who invoked it has lost.

Attempts to intentionally invoke Godwin's Law usually fail.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 3:52 pm

Godwin's Law states that as an internet discussion increases in length, the probability of a comparison to Hitler, nazis, or related subjects approaches 1:1.

It usually pertains to heated discussions when someone says it in the heat of the moment.

Corollaries to this law states that the on the occasion that Godwin's Law occurs, the discussion is effectively over and the one who invoked it has lost.

Attempts to intentionally invoke Godwin's Law usually fail.


Ah. I feel dumb now. Godwin+ed. My bad

I didn't recognize it used as a past-tense verb. LOL. However, I beg to differ. Godwin's Law doesn't apply when you are already talking about genocide or instances where the comparison is quite valid. My understanding is that it was originally intended to prevent people from inappropriately using the afore-mentioned anology, thus belittling the social and moral impact of the Holocaust.

EDIT:
Nevermind... I read the post again. He was comparing Alessia and not Alessians. Ooops. Yeah, that was a Godwin for sure.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 6:25 pm

Alessia herself only beat the Ayleids to a pulp until they ceded defeat to her. Several ayleid kingdoms actually were vassals to Empress Alessia. It was only when Marukh got into power did things go all Alessian Inquisition.

Even in the later years, the Empire wasn't completely intolerant of elves, as they still allowed the Chimer and Dwemer leaders to be present at the Emperor's coronation. However, I suspect this was more or less because the Alessian Order didn't wield total control in the Empire, at least not at that time. And given that the Alessian Empire would be dealt an ultimately fatal blow in 17 years from the Kingdom of Skingrad, this was in the last days of the Empire.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 4:39 pm

I want to again recommend a short story by Allerleirauh from a couple of years ago; to me it shows well the puritanism of the Alessians. http://lorannarp.pbwiki.com/Character+Myths+and+Tales+-+Dragon

Not to mention that it shows CHIM well.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 12:23 pm

I want to again recommend a short story by Allerleirauh from a couple of years ago; to me it shows well the puritanism of the Alessians. http://lorannarp.pbwiki.com/Character+Myths+and+Tales+-+Dragon

Not to mention that it shows CHIM well.



How's that lore?
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Rachael
 
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 9:07 am

while it is not lore, it does help to explain the topic and make it tangible in the minds of the reader.
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James Shaw
 
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 10:47 am

We have a forum for fan fics. :)
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Eileen Müller
 
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 9:45 am

he is not posting the fanfic but merely referring the OP to it. its like providing a real world example to a lore topic, you woudnt say that belongs into offtopic would you?
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Victor Oropeza
 
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 11:35 am

We have a forum for fan fics. :)


You really shouldn't be so dismissive. Monkey Truth is 'fan fiction' too afterall.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 3:15 am

Here's some more info; they had a monastic complex that lasted until 1E 2321.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 12:15 pm

You really shouldn't be so dismissive. Monkey Truth is 'fan fiction' too afterall.



I just wouldn't use an RP as lore is all. Would you use my RP for lore?
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 1:22 pm

if a dev says its lore, absolutely.

at any rate, were not saying that its absolute lore, were saying that its good atmosphere. fanatical is pretty broad, that story helps to get it into perspective.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 1:53 pm

if a dev says its lore, absolutely.

at any rate, were not saying that its absolute lore, were saying that its good atmosphere. fanatical is pretty broad, that story helps to get it into perspective.



Seems kind of subjective to me. :x

Yea it seems pretty decent for a fan perspective.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 7:06 am

I just wouldn't use an RP as lore is all. Would you use my RP for lore?


Well you weren't around back then but the better part of the Lore forum took part in it. You might also want to revieuw the Trial of Vivec and you'll note that Allerleirauh plays a fairly prominent role along with the devs.

So when it comes to imagery and mood, rather then fact, this RP is qualified. I don't know your RP very well but I doubt it can boast the same amount of expertise. Though if I'm wrong, feel freed to add to the Monkey Truth. You're a regular on the Storyboard so you might have seen the term fly around.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 8:44 am

Well you weren't around back then but the better part of the Lore forum took part in it. You might also want to revieuw the Trial of Vivec and you'll note that Allerleirauh plays a fairly prominent role along with the devs.

So when it comes to imagery and mood, rather then fact, this RP is qualified. I don't know your RP very well but I doubt it can boast the same amount of expertise. Though if I'm wrong, feel freed to add to the Monkey Truth. You're a regular on the Storyboard so you might have seen the term fly around.

Maybe the devs were simply playing along though. Not everything they ever say has to be official lore canon.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 3:31 pm

Well you weren't around back then but the better part of the Lore forum took part in it. You might also want to revieuw the Trial of Vivec and you'll note that Allerleirauh plays a fairly prominent role along with the devs.

So when it comes to imagery and mood, rather then fact, this RP is qualified. I don't know your RP very well but I doubt it can boast the same amount of expertise. Though if I'm wrong, feel freed to add to the Monkey Truth. You're a regular on the Storyboard so you might have seen the term fly around.



:rofl: Expertise! Wow. Well that's all impressive and everything but the fact is that just because dev participate in an RP (good for them) doesn't mean it's lore. It isn't like they all have some midas lore touch.

And i've heard about said RP. :) And everything i've heard seems to be true so far.

Anyway back to the topic the RP posted as well as the "Trial of Vivec" are great fan stories but we were looking for more of an actual lore perspective. I mean it's all nicely written and all but something that wasn't made on the forum is probably something we aimed more for.

Thanks ahead of time. :)

And no i don't know what monkey truth is. Honestly this is one of the few times I even look at anything outside our RP.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 5:42 pm

Everything a dev says is not lore.

But it is if they REPEATEDLY SAY IT IS. Now everyone shut up. I'm having UESP flashbacks.
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