... Party foul.

Whaaaa?! The animations look fantastic. Just tops. I dont know what you have to reference bad animation. I mean, look at the cave troll, for example. Its movements are so hulking and menacing. When I first saw it, it made me want to run away.

Excellent animations this time around. Bethesda has done all their homework.

I don't understand why people keep saying that the OP is "ungrateful". There is nothing to be grateful for. Bethesda is a company that is making a game that I'm going to pay 60 dollars for. If I feel as though the game will not be worth the investment, I won't buy it. If anything, Bethesda should be "grateful" for everyone who buys the game, considering if nobody bought the game, Bethesda would make no money.

I died when I played Fallout 3 but I've ranted about it enough times before. Enjoyable game though. Just not Fallout. Oblivion was a fun game too, BGS was coming to fruition on many elements so that it'd be botched in the ways it was wasn't very surprising.

I will buy Skyrim though. To get an indication on Fallout 4. By itself seems like a great RPG game though not defining of the genre(Wasteland, Deus Ex, Planescape: Torment, Fallout, System Shock 2 get the merit)

Also between us and the rest of the forum. Morrowind was one of the most revolting RPGs upon its release along with it's expansion packs at the time. It screamed what the decade was going to be for RPGs. That BGS went from Daggerfall to whatever Morrowind is......

Morrowinds ups were mainly the world and lore. Nothing more nothing less. It wasn't so pretty as a game nor RPG.

That said I'm not stomping any of these games down with bias as you are.

Wouldn't say that here it's just going to lead to a flame war.
OT: The animations look fine, I dont mind it in the slightest.

Literally the only issue i had was with the sliding. I honestly don't see your problem. It's not Crysis, no, but Crysis isn't an open world RPG.

I guess it's pretty clear that a majority of users believe that the graphics are indeed a great leap between Oblivion and Skyrim. I agree, considering how they've admitted that they're squeezing the last bit of the console's usage.

Yeah, because you have such an in-depth knowledge of it. Stop preaching about your view on the development, and just accept that it look far better than anything that has come before in Beth's gaming history. And I would say it now keeps pace with most in game animations today. And that's saying something considering the size of the game and the sheer amount of information that is required to create everything else, apart from the animations.

Get a grip, and try and show some respect.

Tbh i was more annoyed by facial animations,
Sure animations we see are better than the one in past beth games but still they got those ankward frames,
The animation system doesent help to, characters are sliding instead of walking, combat does not have any weight

But the real problem is that im to spoiled by Dark Messiah (bethesda should ask them to help design combat system, then i would be sold)

Perhaps you should just go and play those other boring games you value so high instad of talking sh.t about Bethesda games? The animations in skyrim is not bad att all, no their not the best, but they do their job just fine to bad you can't be happy with the progress bethesda has made its you loss, you sound like one of those people that never becomes satisfied with anything in life.

What would a poll regarding people liking the animations do to prove whether the animations are the best you've ever seen? And if these are the best you've seen, you don't play games, simply put. There's another game coming out of Bethesda's corner which has animations light years ahead of what's in Skyrim.



You know it shows the join date to the left of a users post? So, uh, yeah. What's being said nein to? I think you meant to direct that towards the people who are resisting the fact that the animations are poor. Those are the ones who don't want to see improvement because they feel a psychological urge to be apologetic for whatever Bethesda does.




No, Skyrim's animations are not better than Mass Effect 2's. Youtube can exemplify this with ease.



Hey, I believe that too. That doesn't contradict my OP.




Yes, I do have a knowledge of it, whereas you don't know a thing about it. Heck, you thought animations were the product of the game engine. Get into 3d modelling and learn a bit about animations yourself. Now, in what regards should I show respect and who should I show it to? An ignorant toddler such as yourself? And in what sense is critiquing poor animations not showing respect? Sorry, you've got a long way to go in maturity.

Neither of you should be telling the other what to think. Everyone has their own opinions, and dissing each other isn't going to change that.

no, I'm not saying OP is ungrateful, it just tickles me that people keep complain things and like my post in page 3, I could make a list '1000 things that skyrim has svcks'

I remember when Pokemon B/W announced an the poke starters are revealed. Many of them complained about it. the water type is an ugly idiot, the fire type is uncreative, just a pig, with some decorations, the grass type looks like an a$$hole, leaf snake with arms, with a$$hole like eyes.

and guess what? pokemon B/W sold 12.87 million copies around the world. the 6th most selling games in NDS in 2011.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_Nintendo_DS_video_games

maybe the complainers is one of the people who bought this game. and enjoyed it much until today

oh yeah, many reviews said pokemon B/W is one of the best pokemon games, after pokemon gold/silver

what I'm saying is... you keep complained about anything and then you'll play it, and have 500 hours of gameplay, because you enjoyed it very much

The facial animations are indeed a part of what I'm critiquing. Awkward and unnatural well describe them.

What exactly were you expecting? Eyelash physics in the animations? I've seen some weird judgements about Skyrim, but this just doesn't make any sense...
Edit:
We haven't really seen a lot of facial animations, If you're talking about Alvor the Smith, then I cannot say how he looks so bad when talking.

So do you by the looks of it. Let's just leave it at that shall we.

I'll be enjoying the game while you'll be crying about the animations like the toddler you claim I am. And show some respect to the development process itself; the fact that you fail to see the progress made is disrespectful.

Goodbye.

I'm not making a list, I'm commenting on what I think is Bethesda's biggest weak point and area in which they can improve the most. People like some who are in this thread who panic and experience spasms when they see someone critiquing a game they like need to take some deep breaths and re-attach themselves to reality. Critique is a normal part of every game forum, it contributes to games getting better. I think Skyrim appeals to a lot of really young people who are still in the process of learning to develop objectivity and not take criticism personally.

Your posts about PC gamers aren't fair. Most people like good visuals yes and some PC players have the right to be disappointed in Skyrim's visuals.

That said Skyrim looks good. It's not defining but it's good. Clearly games like Deus Ex, Fallout, and Planescape:Torment while looking fair test time because of their excellent genre defining qualities over graphics.

But Skyrim still looks good.

And yes I'm a PC gamer.

Lol, arguing on the internet and then questioning someone else about their maturity, huh. Could you link some youtube videos of games you think have good animation, I would like to critique them.

Not questioning, pointing out. There's little question to it. Your post seems to raise a question regarding your own, however. And read the thread, your request for comparisons was met before you asked it.

How does a person objectively think about a subjective thing like the quality of animation?
It is subjective, as clearly people have different opinions on the quality of the animation.

If you're satisfied that I'm critiquing Skyrim's animations... then that's like saying you view it as acceptable and have no problem with it... which would contradict how it's obviously getting under your skin very much. Might want to review the meanings of "whining" and "non sequitur." I know you're desperate for a bite here, so I hope that one satisfied.

Oh, okay. I'm not questioning you're maturity. I just thought it was bad form. As you have not linked any videos I can't make a comparison about what you like and dislike about Skyrim's animation with games that you do like. Simply rattling off a few names isn't sufficient. I can say I like the animations of Suikoden better than Crysis. I thought they were amazing at the time, am I wrong. But actually saying what is better or worse is a much better indicator of being right or not.

I like the animations :celebration:

I saw it, thanks.


It's subjective in the same sense that what counts as good graphics is subjective, and a person could claim that the first Mario game has good graphics. By contemporary standards, I'd disagree. Also using contemporary standards, I can only disagree that Skyrim has good animations for the NPCs. As I've said, in my opinion, calling them passable would be about the most I'd go, reluctantly.