So the guy who ruined an entire city and the surrounding countryside with a radioactive explosion to open up the opportunity to kill a whole lot of perfectly innocent civilians and ruin their lives with a psychopathic death cult is less evil than some simple turncoat and pimp?

Thats one guy, Vulpes Inculta does not represent the Legion. And wasn't that an NCR Military Camp? I didn't see any dead citizens or ghoulified citizens. Only NCR troops.

Vulpes very much does represent the legion. He's its highest ranking intelligence and forward operations officer. If you don't think they killed any civilians go check out Matthews Animal Husbandry Farm. It wasn't just a military outpost, and even if it were, that doesn't excuse what the Legion did to it.

Caesar represents the Legion, not Vulpes. It is after all CAESARS Legion not Vulpes Legion. Vulpes does what he pleases and Caesar likes it because what he does works. And Searchlight was mainly a military Camp. I think I should bring up Bittersprings. The NCR killed countless innocents including children. And even if it was a communication error I am sure the NCR knew they were shooting children in the face.

Vulpes Inculta is probably a better leader for the Legion than Lanius *OR* Caesar. The treatment of Nipton was a perfectly justifiable use of terrorism if you accept terrorism as a viable military tactic. Nipton's destruction nicely will terrorize the remaining settlements into compliance and the town is apparently little more than a den of raiders and (ironically) slavers.

It's like if Vulpes crucified Paradise Falls in the Capital Wasteland. Many people might feel relieved. And maybe I'm getting the plan wrong but the Omerta plan doesn't become a chemical bomb until the "Complete Monster" Courier gets involved.

Really, what he did to Camp Searchlight is also no worse than the PC retaliating at Camp Cottonwood.

I think Vulpes might have lead the Legion in a bold new direction. He didn't seem to be as mindlessly bloodthirsty as Lanius or as arrogant as Caesar.

Vulpes would be a good leader for the Legion, Lanius is to much of a monster, but Caesar is a good leader. He after all created the Legion. But he can be arrogant.

You can still complete the game but you're stopping the only group in the wasteland that could save the wasteland.How very selfish of you.

From an utterly ruthless point of view, Caesar had a pretty good idea that the only way to rebuild civilization is to wipe out the tribal identities and build a single coherent monoculture. It's just that Caesar seems to have gotten way too caught up in his own press and is focused on attacking NCR the only other civilized nation in the world.

Nothings stopping Caesar from getting rid of the misogyny and cannibalism, he just doesn't CARE.

To paraphrase one of the greatest heroes in American history: Death is a preferable alternative to Caesarism.

I confess, I do think that there's a very good argument some conditions of survival are not worth it.

It's just that the NCR go against all of Caesar's ideals. And what's with people mentioning cannibalism all of a sudden?

"Caesar got the support from the WGS, so that means the Legion are cannibals, DERP" Get the funk outta here with that nonsense.

He suborns cannibalism and encourages it in his minions. Don't deny it.

Proof?

Did you DO Beyond the Beef for Caesar's questline? You kill Heck Gunderson and have the White Glove Society eat him, and all so Caesar can use that as leverage to make them stay in his pocket.

No, the Legionaire in charge of Cottonwood Cove is a cannibal as well and Caesar wanted the WGS to resume cannibalism en masse. Caesar had some seriously messed up priorities. if we're being generous, I suppose we COULD blame the brain tumor.



Had Caesar stuck with the rest of the country, he might have built a much stronger nation, I think.

If throwing a bone to one of the major tribes of New Vegas will assure you their help, I'd do the same. And I highly doubt you're allowed to just go around and freely eat citizens of the Legion, but since we really don't know what happened to any of the tribes post-ending, I'd say making claims that the Legion are cannibals is just ridiculous.

I know people here are looking for more reasons to hate the Legion, but give the bottom scraping a rest.




See now THAT'S what I'm looking for. I've most likely missed it, so I'm gonna see what it's all about. Thanks.

Cesar is a cannibal? all those poor salads they never had a chance .

Whats so bad about cannibalism anyways? They're dead when there eating them, might as well not let the meat go to waste.

EDIT: Before anyone freaks out it was a joke. And the Legion isn't cannibals. They have allied with cannibals but they are not cannibals. Well the majority aren't cannibals, some may be.

Well, considering Vulpes specialty seems to be psycological warfare that's pretty much par for the course. This isn't our world where the Geneva Convention will nail you to the wall for war crimes, it's the Fallout world, where such tactics are common place and yeah, necessary.

Exactly.

Well at least the NCRS ideals are realistic rather than the CL's. Like cmon...hes a egotistic maniac.

No, Caesars goals are way more realistic, kill anyone who is a danger to civilization, and anyone who would resists this. The NCR is the on all bogged down with bureaucracy, having to do what has to be done while keeping the home front content.

Um i dont know about that. Ceasers goal are ridicules he contradicts himself. He trys to stay to the Roman ways and in the end he will fail big time. He trys to stay uncivilzed..well see how long that lasts. NCR trys to make america what it should be not some pointless outgrown Roman empire that died out Hundreds of years ago.

your Missing one Phrase form you sig Josh gro-Graz:

Romanes Eunt Domus

I can't support anyone who as a policy rejects technology for the people. yet has an auto-doc by the bed.

I'm more of a Mr. House fan, his plans for the next century are the plans Our own real governments should be following.
getting us off this rock Ensures the longterm survival of the human race. that way if anything "Bad" were to happen (be it Nuclear War or Space Rock Impact)
Humanity would be able to Survive the incident. also if need be, could come back once the dust settled and re-colonize earth

Gotta love the bias.