The Anti-Flame Fallout Series Discussion #2 : Fallout Series Discussion

» Tue May 17, 2011 6:19 am

As for the defusing an Atomic Bomb, you do realise we are asked to do that in Fallout 3 right? What does it take again 35 science or something? :thumbsup:

20 or 25 explosives IIRC.

» Tue May 17, 2011 2:25 pm

Driving a car is really easy, it learning all the rules of the road that is hard. In a wasteland there are no rules. If you can figure out how to get PA off someone you can figure out how to put it back on.

As for the defusing an Atomic Bomb, you do realise we are asked to do that in Fallout 3 right? What does it take again 35 science or something? :thumbsup:

25 explosives, less than is required to defuse a plasma mine successfully.

» Tue May 17, 2011 12:59 pm

We have done all the things, but he doesnt let up, sticks to his broken guns. You know what, your right, going to ignore him.

@ Lt. So, gaming is a business, i remember when it was a form of art, developers made games because they liked to, it used to be "for gamers by gamers."

Do that, I started doing that long ago.

Although games are an artform, and moreso in the 90's (where really crazy and original stuff emerged, which would never be made today), it has always been a business. For their awsome minds to create yet another awesome game, they need to sell well with their first awesome game to make awesome money. Unfortunately, the fanbase back in the days were "geeks" and not so many of them. Then somehow, a type of gaming which takes away some thinking and puts in some more shooting, along with better graphics and playing with your friends and voila, you've created games that more people than "geeks" can play

» Tue May 17, 2011 7:43 am

See if we can defuse an Atomic bomb with just 25 explosives. I am sure we can figure out how to use Power Armour.

» Tue May 17, 2011 12:44 pm

25 explosives, less than is required to defuse a plasma mine successfully.

Fail.

» Tue May 17, 2011 12:23 am

This is how I see it and how I think the series will go from here.

1. Bethesda buys the Fallout series
2. They do become insecure of how it would sell. They know there is a fanbase for it, but are unsure of how to approach the series. They don't feel that they can make it the same as the originals but wish to try to contain the same "spririt".
3. The decision is made to make it along the same lines as the ES series. Bethesda feels that they need to go with what they know best, rather than risk a commerical failure (gaming is business after all).
4. FO3 comes out and does very well commercially. New fans are introduced to the series and come to like the "new style" of Fallout (if nothing else than because they know no other style of Fallout). Old Gaurd fans feel disappointed and let-down, they make those feelings known (although I was not around on the forums during that time, I assume it was war on the forums). Bethesda takes note.
5.New Vegas is in development and Bethesda (now feeling bit more confident in the series) decides to try out a new style with New Vegas, which puts it more in line with the originals, remnants of Black Isle (Obsidian) are contracted to make it, in order to achieve this feeling.
6. New Vegas comes out and previously furious veterans feel a bit better about the series now. Bethesda faces a new issue however, many of the new fans who had been introduced with Fallout 3 and its style come to realize that New Vegas is not quite their cup of tea. War erupts again amoung the fanbase, lines are drawn and casualties mount. Bethesda takes note.
7. (here comes my speculation) with Fallout 3 being the first test run and New Vegas being the second, Bethesda now decides to try to make a compromise between the two fanbases (new and old fans) now that they've tested the waters. Hopefully then, with Fallout 4 will come a game that can please both sides.

Oh, and this!

» Tue May 17, 2011 1:25 am

@ Lt. So, gaming is a business, i remember when it was a form of art, developers made games because they liked to, it used to be "for gamers by gamers."

Basically yes. Money is the primary motivational factor in the making of video games. I really can't think of single company that only makes games for the thrill of making video games (modders do though, God bless em') becuase frankly, they would probably go out of business. When it comes down to it, if a company is faced with making a choice that will A. make them more money or B. be better for the gamer, they're going to make the choice of A. virtually everytime (unless the choice of B. allows them to facletate A.)

» Tue May 17, 2011 4:53 am

7. (here comes my speculation) with Fallout 3 being the first test run and New Vegas being the second, Bethesda now decides to try to make a compromise between the two fanbases (new and old fans) now that they've tested the waters. Hopefully then, with Fallout 4 will come a game that can please both sides.

That's a commendable idea. It's just a shame that the compromise that is needed may well be out of Bethesdas reach (either because their personal preference is not Fallout - as they have stated that they make games they like to play, and hope to find an audience, so clearly Fallout wasn't a game they liked to play - or because they think that changing their formula will result in loss of sales, or because of the simple reason that their writers aren't on par with the compromise). I'll keep my thumbs up though, and hope that more people get behind the idea of the compromise, maybe all our [censored]ing and bickering will get heard.

» Tue May 17, 2011 8:12 am

My point exactly. If he just played them for an hour years ago, he couldn't have gotten far and can't remember much either... like his comment on the node travelling system, that your character turns into a huge 3D model that walks over the world map.

When the hell did I say that I had only played for an hour years ago.

Sorry Paladin John but I had to come back.

Slander, distorted, libelled, lying. Are those with different views and opinions to be driven off this topic. I held back on volumn 1.

Now I have to go. A simple post giving differing views started them off .......

Bye. Have fun, but it is still amusing, I'm not really offended, it's somewhat commical.

So moderator's please don't close this topic on my account, it would be a shame... I would miss the humour of it.

"I'll be back" as Terminator said.

» Tue May 17, 2011 12:24 am

This is how I see it and how I think the series will go from here.1. Bethesda buys the Fallout series2. They do become insecure of how it would sell. They know there is a fanbase for it, but are unsure of how to approach the series. They don't feel that they can make it the same as the originals but wish to try to contain the same "spririt".3. The decision is made to make it along the same lines as the ES series. Bethesda feels that they need to go with what they know best, rather than risk a commerical failure (gaming is business after all).4. FO3 comes out and does very well commercially. New fans are introduced to the series and come to like the "new style" of Fallout (if nothing else than because they know no other style of Fallout). Old Gaurd fans feel disappointed and let-down, they make those feelings known (although I was not around on the forums during that time, I assume it was war on the forums). Bethesda takes note.5.New Vegas is in development and Bethesda (now feeling bit more confident in the series) decides to try out a new style with New Vegas, which puts it more in line with the originals, remnants of Black Isle (Obsidian) are contracted to make it, in order to achieve this feeling.6. New Vegas comes out and previously furious veterans feel a bit better about the series now. Bethesda faces a new issue however, many of the new fans who had been introduced with Fallout 3 and its style come to realize that New Vegas is not quite their cup of tea. War erupts again amoung the fanbase, lines are drawn and casualties mount. Bethesda takes note.7. (here comes my speculation) with Fallout 3 being the first test run and New Vegas being the second, Bethesda now decides to try to make a compromise between the two fanbases (new and old fans) now that they've tested the waters. Hopefully then, with Fallout 4 will come a game that can please both sides.

Oh, and this!

(Well Spoken Lt., well spoken. I quoted Savage as well, because i too agree with this, and hope Bethesda takes note, for it has to learn that while FO3 was a good game it is own rights( and this is my own opinion, no bashes please) it had flaws, and NV, while a good game as well in association with Obsidian, had flaws as well( again, my opinion, please do not bash), and hopefully the lessons learned as well from both will result in a meaningful, graphic, and well written game most of us will enjoy.)

» Tue May 17, 2011 12:15 pm

(That's The Talon Company i know! :thumbsup:

@Sitruc: Slanders and labels are one thing, i know, i have been done as such as well, but you got to make your opinions and arguements in a manor that makes sense and does not come off in a offensive manor, i learned that the hard way, granted i do not agree with everything that goes on, but i have learned to express myself in a way that makes sense now, so i do not come off in a bad way, otherwise, i will have people telling me as such, and flame wars on the forums look bad for us all, am i right or wrong people?)

Did my post come off as offensive, I was careful not to be.

Care to point out what and I will edit it out, simple.

And while you're at it, which part makes no sense.

» Mon May 16, 2011 11:26 pm

That almost sounds like a poem of sorts...

» Tue May 17, 2011 9:23 am

7. (here comes my speculation) with Fallout 3 being the first test run and New Vegas being the second, Bethesda now decides to try to make a compromise between the two fanbases (new and old fans) now that they've tested the waters. Hopefully then, with Fallout 4 will come a game that can please both sides.

Compromise. I like that word. Here's hoping for the ultimate compromise too!

» Tue May 17, 2011 2:30 pm

When the hell did I say that I had only played for an hour years ago.

Sorry Paladin John but I had to come back.

Slander, distorted, libelled, lying. Are those with different views and opinions to be driven off this topic. I held back on volumn 1.

Now I have to go. A simple post giving differing views started them off .......

Bye. Have fun, but it is still amusing, I'm not really offended, it's somewhat commical.

So moderator's please don't close this topic on my account, it would be a shame... I would miss the humour of it.

"I'll be back" as Terminator said.

I'm sorry, I might have confused you with another guy who has generally the same attitude like you.

» Tue May 17, 2011 12:08 pm

Compromise. I like that word. Here's hoping for the ultimate compromise too!

I know a great compromise! They should re-make Fallout along the lines of an RTS! Woohoo! :woot:

*gets hit in the head with a thrown boot*

Ok ok fine....ouch

» Tue May 17, 2011 8:04 am

Did my post come off as offensive, I was careful not to be.

Care to point out what and I will edit it out, simple.

And while you're at it, which part makes no sense.

( i meant it in general, i was not implying any part in particular was offensive or made no sense, it was meant for the future so you can avoid the same mess i went through Sitruc, so you can learn from it. Nothing more was implied and i apologize if i was confusing.)

» Mon May 16, 2011 11:39 pm

(OMG, can we PLEASE quit with the arguing and get back to the conversations, i don't care who owns what games, i want to discuss topics.) :facepalm:

THIS!

We need to knock this off, these threads have been under extremely close watch, as they've stated in the last thread, and I really hate how people hijack and derail threads like this.

Well... alot of people have tried that, and... when all else fails - FLAME!

NO!!!

When all esle fails flame any thread but an Anti-Flame thread.

(That's The Talon Company i know! :thumbsup:

@Sitruc: Slanders and labels are one thing, i know, i have been done as such as well, but you got to make your opinions and arguements in a manor that makes sense and does not come off in a offensive manor, i learned that the hard way, granted i do not agree with everything that goes on, but i have learned to express myself in a way that makes sense now, so i do not come off in a bad way, otherwise, i will have people telling me as such, and flame wars on the forums look bad for us all, am i right or wrong people?)

That is the ideal way to handle discussion, especially on an anti-flame thread, thank-you Paladin John.

I know a great compromise! They should re-make Fallout along the lines of an RTS! Woohoo! :woot:

*gets hit in the head with a thrown boot*

Ok ok fine....ouch

LOL.

But in all seriousness the goal of this thread is to prove that new and original fans can get along. But if you can't do this then they might as well lock this thread. How about if nothing improevs in the next ten posts then the moderators lock this thread and I'll forget all about it. I'm trying to make things a little more peaceful so if you feel like flaming then please go somewhere else.

How about it, can I really on all of you?

» Tue May 17, 2011 9:18 am

I know a great compromise! They should re-make Fallout along the lines of an RTS! Woohoo! :woot:

The forums would surely be something to behold after that.

And Sebor, relax. Few people only almost had an embolism and only one got fried so the damage was left pretty low.

» Tue May 17, 2011 1:06 am

Just hoping that the message goes through, I've posted the same thing about six times and a page later it sarts back up again.

» Tue May 17, 2011 2:04 pm

I know a great compromise! They should re-make Fallout along the lines of an RTS! Woohoo! :woot:

*gets hit in the head with a thrown boot*

Ok ok fine....ouch

Not... funny >.<

» Tue May 17, 2011 12:18 pm

I'm sorry, I might have confused you with another guy who has generally the same attitude like you.

Curtis claims to have been a great fan of the original Fallouts until Fallout 3 showed him what he was missing but he makes statements that call into serious question his actual experience with Fallout 1 and 2.

Then when confronted with the inaccuracy of those statements he hastily moves the goalposts and pretends it was his intention to argue for how much exploring of the world Fallout 3 allows in comparison to the originals (inadvertently shooting his whole Fallout 3 is just the natural evolution of Fallout 1 and 2 and better in every way position in the foot) when the actual conflict was over whether he had any clue what form "exploration" of the wasteland took in those originals. He clearly didn't.

I apologize in advance if this is interpreted as flaming.

» Tue May 17, 2011 1:31 am

NO!!!

When all esle fails flame any thread but an Anti-Flame thread.

I was ironic

You can't have a thread where you discsuss between "the two fanbases" without heated arguments.
And also, flame NO thread, whatever title it has. It's still against the forum rules.

» Tue May 17, 2011 12:27 pm

( i meant it in general, i was not implying any part in particular was offensive or made no sense, it was meant for the future so you can avoid the same mess i went through Sitruc, so you can learn from it. Nothing more was implied and i apologize if i was confusing.)

Well I find it to be extremely offensive, to be lectured on how to post in particular and in general.

Having been on forums for many years that have been moderated and have never had trouble, I'm well aware of how posts are distorted by flamers, misquoted, topic diverted from a well-made point into some drivel, lying, false accusations and all the other forms of flaming .... I can brush those aside and ignore them, for everybody can see them for what they are ... just flaming when they can't think of good response to a point made.

That I can brush aside ... but being lectured on how to post I find both laughable and at the same time very insulting ... by somebody who, from what you say didn't have much idea of how to post without problems.

What you should have posted is something relevant to the topic or the flamers.

That's something you can learn for the future.

Kindly do not put me in the same bracket as yourself and your problems. I suggest that you might try getting more experience in your-self.

Instead of lecturing the innocent party, go and lecture individually the flamers, distorters, and all the others causing problems here.

That's the end of it as far as I'm concerned ... and dropped.

» Tue May 17, 2011 12:49 am

snip

No, it is a miss-read and a miss-interpretation.

I really do not ever want to have further dialogue with you. One who comes out with Fallout3 is Oblivion with guns, I do not find it to be an intelligent thing to say, and I have no desire to communication on any level with.

Bye.

» Tue May 17, 2011 2:01 pm

That almost sounds like a poem of sorts...

Does a bit doesn't it. Laugh