The Barnaky ending

Post » Fri Oct 12, 2012 12:29 am

Why is this specific ending to Tactics the most prefered by the majority of the Fallout Community? (at least the community here.)
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Amiee Kent
 
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Post » Thu Oct 11, 2012 10:26 pm

I never played Tactics but I did watch the endings on youtube and it seems like the one that makes the most sense, and is well the best one.
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Post » Fri Oct 12, 2012 12:21 am

Take a look for yourself:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2ZcpcO7C58

But the primary reasons why the Barnaky ending is preferred among us is that:

1. The Midwestern Brotherhood becomes a morally dark grey antagonist for once. With the operation of forced labor gulags (death camps), a policy of eradication of "known genetic divergence" (mutants), crucifixion, and an Inquisition.

2. The Midwestern Brotherhood becomes a powerful state rivaling the NCR and the Legion. With a powerful army of veteran Brotherhood Paladin's supplemented by Calculator Robots. As well as a unique system of quasi-feudalism in which local communities must swear fealty to the Brotherhood and provide their "best and brightest" for Brotherhood training in exchange for protection and Brotherhood development.

3. Barnaky becomes fused with the Calculator and becomes a quasi-cyborg who is respected and indisputably the leader of the nation.

4. A new interesting faction is formed (the Mutant Liberation Army).

5. . It makes for a more interesting plot-line, with a Brotherhood which is antagonistic and the possibility of interesting interaction between Enclave Remnants in Chicago, MWBOS, MLA, and whatever other factions are in the vicinity.
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Post » Thu Oct 11, 2012 8:37 am

Take a look for yourself:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2ZcpcO7C58

But the primary reasons why the Barnaky ending is preferred among us is that:

1. The Midwestern Brotherhood becomes a morally dark grey antagonist for once. With the operation of forced labor gulags (death camps), a policy of eradication of "known genetic divergence" (mutants), crucifixion, and an Inquisition.

2. The Midwestern Brotherhood becomes a powerful state rivaling the NCR and the Legion. With a powerful army of veteran Brotherhood Paladin's supplemented by Calculator Robots. As well as a unique system of quasi-feudalism in which local communities must swear fealty to the Brotherhood and provide their "best and brightest" for Brotherhood training in exchange for protection and Brotherhood development.

3. Barnaky becomes fused with the Calculator and becomes a quasi-cyborg who is respected and indisputably the leader of the nation.

4. A new interesting faction is formed (the Mutant Liberation Army).

5. . It makes for a more interesting plot-line, with a Brotherhood which is antagonistic and the possibility of interesting interaction between Enclave Remnants in Chicago, MWBOS, MLA, and whatever other factions are in the vicinity.

Basically this. Its the most interesting ending imo.
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Post » Thu Oct 11, 2012 9:49 pm

Perhaps the Barnaky ending is the most complicated but wouldn't a more harmonized population (mutants and humans) be more efficient? Also, is it the idea that the Calculator rules all and could possibly bring about the extinction of all life, starting with the assassination of the Elders that makes it so unappetizing?
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Post » Thu Oct 11, 2012 9:45 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2ZcpcO7C58
This is the first time I have actually seen this even though I have seen Styles post it about lots of times. :D

Anyways I don't think this is the canon ending. The BoS seems to be too successful with this ending which wouldn't add up with some dialogue in Fallout 3.
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Post » Thu Oct 11, 2012 2:51 pm

The BoS seems to be too successful with this ending which wouldn't add up with some dialogue in Fallout 3.

You mean that one single line about the MWBOS falling on "hard times"? Not exactly a very descriptive phrase, nor do we necessarily know that its trustworthy.

What sort of hard times? Economic hard times? Food shortage? Drought? Perhaps they are having trouble with a militant guerrilla group?

Many would argue that the NCR has fallen on "hard times" (ie. resources dwindling and over expansion) or that the Legion has as well (military defeat at the first battle of Hoover Dam). Yet they are still thriving nations.

"Hard times" doesn't necessarily mean that they are broken and huddled around little trash-can fires for warmth. Or that they were militarily defeated on the scale of say, the Enclave. Its just too vague a phrase. And thats if Scribe Rothchild has any idea what he's talking about in the first place.

Perhaps the Barnaky ending is the most complicated but wouldn't a more harmonized population (mutants and humans) be more efficient?

Not necessarily. And who the hell wants to work with those abominations anyway?

Also, is it the idea that the Calculator rules all and could possibly bring about the extinction of all life, starting with the assassination of the Elders that makes it so unappetizing?

What ending are you talking about? That doesn't happen with Barnaky.
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Post » Thu Oct 11, 2012 7:10 pm

You mean that one single line about the MWBOS falling on "hard times"? Not exactly a very descriptive phrase, nor do we necessarily know that its trustworthy.

What sort of hard times? Economic hard times? Food shortage? Drought? Perhaps they are having trouble with a militant guerrilla group?

Many would argue that the NCR has fallen on "hard times" (ie. resources dwindling and over expansion) or that the Legion has as well (military defeat at the first battle of Hoover Dam). Yet they are still thriving nations.
That isn't a line in the game. That is stated in the guide book somewhere.

Either Lyons or Rothchild will tell you that when they looked for the BoS in the Midwest they couldn't be foun. Barnaky's ending makes it sound like the BoS becomes way too powerful to just seemingly disappear.
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Post » Thu Oct 11, 2012 3:36 pm

Either Lyons or Rothchild will tell you that when they looked for the BoS in the Midwest they couldn't be foun. Barnaky's ending makes it sound like the BoS becomes way too powerful to just seemingly disappear.

Hm I don't think so. I'm almost positive that line is in the game. Scribe Rothchild mentions that the MWBOS has fallen on hard times.

The wiki backs me up on this as well: http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Reginald_Rothchild (towards the bottom).

I'm sure I could find more proof somewhere. But I don't even think the MWBOS is mentioned in the game guide.
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Post » Thu Oct 11, 2012 9:03 am

Perhaps the Barnaky ending is the most complicated but wouldn't a more harmonized population (mutants and humans) be more efficient? Also, is it the idea that the Calculator rules all and could possibly bring about the extinction of all life, starting with the assassination of the Elders that makes it so unappetizing?

No that is the crappiest of the ending IMO. We already have a White Knight hero Brotherhood and that is Lyons. I don't want an even more kiss white knight faction.

As for the OP's question. Yes the Barnaky Ending seems to be the most popular of the Fallout Tactics endings.

The Barnaky Ending IMO is by far the best ending. For the reasons Lt. Andronicus gave.

Many of you guys know I like the Barnaky Ending to Fallout Tactics and I hope it's made canon because this will happen ===&--#62;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwvnREVigyo&feature=plcp
A much darker version of the Brotherhood of Steel, where for once we can say "The BoS are the antagonist."

But what many might not know is that the Midwestern Brotherhood did alot of those things before Barnaky.

They use crucifiction as a punishment and a deterrent for others. They also make use of forced labour camps, internment camps and gulags aka deathcamps..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89aqJTZDRcA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8WR-4_5-QY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9pgvrs_j3k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5kv-zWRstk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmZqBUvlx3k&feature=youtu.be

They also work POWs to death... I believe Lt. Andronicus also pointed out they have inquisiters
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ur0_XLiF2Ug

They do want humanity to return to civilization no matter how odd ball they might be..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-n_FXR-L0ds

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4acAV46vvQ

Again as you can see the Midwestern Brotherhood of Steel didn't start out as stupid white knight hero faction that loves mutants.
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Post » Thu Oct 11, 2012 10:32 am

My idea as to what happened to the Midwestern Brotherhood of Steel after the end of Fallout Tactics. Based on the
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwvnREVigyo&feature=youtu.be

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Way I see it. The MWBoS fight a bloody war against the Super Mutants and then the Calculator. They force settlements to aid them by giving food, ammo and their best and brightest. Many people do join willingly but the BoS treat them as cannon fodder. The Elders let mutations join because they can be very useful in places humans can't due to radiation.

Vault Zero falls to the BoS and Barnaky becomes one with the Calculator. The BoS are happy to have General Barnaky back. There is a push to make him the head Elder of the MWBoS. The famed warrior (you) who is also a General backs the move to make Barnaky the new head elder, which he does become.

He soon recalls all mutations from the BoS armies and orders them back to their home bases were they are disarmed and tagged, later to be sent to work camps. BoS stops letting mutations join. Laws are passed and any mutation within the BoS' territory is to be rounded up and also sent to camps (work/death camps) which are the start of the great betrayal.

Elders that were most against Barnaky becoming head elder are removed from power. Soon purges happen with in the BoS, anyone that was against Barnaky or seen to aid mutations are also sent to the camps, entire settlement get put to the flame. Soon the Mutant Liberation army forms. BoS caravans and outpost get hit, work camps are liberated, the BoS see a dramatic fall in people willing to join the BoS, and they start having desertions.

Human numbers are replaced more and more by calculator robots and more purges follow fearing an inside job. The BoS stop trying to contact the West in order to get their own house in order.

Biggest blow happens when rouge BoS members set off several bombs within Vault Zero in a failed coup d'état. Many of the calculators systems are damaged beyond repair. Barnaky lives but finds has less control over the robotic forces. He can't control them all at once and the ability to make more robots is severely hampered.

Mutant Liberation Army makes allies with what’s left of the Reaver movement and are supplied with EMP weapons. The remaining slaver/raider groups once again become strong and prey on BoS settlements and outposts.

Decades of bloody Guerrilla warfare against the MLA and the predation of other factions (slavers, raiders) have driven the MWBoS back to their remaining strongholds such as Vault Zero and Cities in between Colorado and Chicago.

Lyons and his BoS are sent out to make contact but don't really know where they are, they know the MWBoS went East, they took a path that takes them away from the MWBoS strongholds at Vault Zero and the others in the Midwest. As Lyons gets closer to DC he hears rumors of people that have similar tech and a symbol are in the area. Lyon spends a long time hunting down those rumors. MWBoS fearing that Lyons is just the tip of a larger army coming up from the south west, do what they can to not be found by them.

Lyons is persistent and soon the MWBoS send out a group of their own elders to make contact. They tell Lyons that MWBoS are just a few hundred men and women close to Chicago. Lyons having made contact goes on to the more important mission of heading to DC.

Like the Barnaky ending states it’s a war the Mutant Liberation Army is distended to lose. MWBoS have seen bitter defeat after bitter defeat for generations and are now a shadow of their glory days but time is on their side. Mutations can't reproduce and the ones that don't fall to the BoS will be taken care of by father time.

Humans, including former BoS that sided with the MLA grow tired of fighting, seeing as how they have crippled the MWBoS and liberated much of their territory. Most just want to settle and farm, the threat is all but gone (so they think). After generations of war, less and less of the younger generations take up the fight.

Maybe the MWBoS will find an ally in Augustus Autumn and his advanced tech can help the MWBoS take back what they lost."

I see for the Midwestern Brotherhood is a decades long war with the Mutant Liberation Army combined with a very paranoid General Barnaky that caused people to turn away from the BoS and ever rebel against the BoS. Along with Slavers, Raiders and Reavers rebuilding their power and causing problems.

The Calculator gets damaged so the Robot Army can't be controlled all at once and new Robots take longer to be built. The Brotherhood is forced back to strongholds across the Midwestern United States.

Midwestern BoS can't produce their own PA so not every member gets one. Only the elite get the best weapons and armour. That is fact.

My idea of how Enclave Remnants could play a role as a part of the Midwestern Brotherhood under General Barnaky.

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Enclave would have been worse off than the Midwestern BoS. After the destruction of the Oil Rig and the death of all Enclave leadership but for Eden, much of Enclave moved toward DC, to Raven Rock and Eden. On their way they stop in Chicago, where the Midwestern BoS surround them and make a deal.

The Midwestern Brotherhood, don't know about the Enclave because they left before the events of Fallout 2. They want the Enclave's tech but more so they want the knowledge behind the tech, to save them years of reverse engineering.

“Help us or die where you stand.” The Enclave takes the deal and move on to DC. Only a couple dozen scientists are left behind, which they were going to do any way. The Midwestern BoS give the Enclave supplies and a base in exchange for more advanced tech/weapons. Midwestern BoS make sure they are well guarded.

When Remnants come back from DC after they are once again defeated, they learn more about the Midwestern BoS under Barnaky and their goals. Some see this as a chance to regain some power. A deal is made for Enclave leaders to become elders and the Enclave to remain independent body with in the Brotherhood ranks. Like I.T guys for the Brotherhood.

They help out the scribes and so on developed weapons to fight the enemies of the BoS. The Mutant Liberation army being the most pressing, Enclave leaders now elders start doing what Enclave does best. Become a shadow government with the MWBoS and someday take total control.

Who knows, maybe the Enclave make a deal with Barnaky to help make humanity pure blood again like the Enclave. Maybe that was Augustus' idea all along and why he went against Eden. Maybe he wanted to find a way to make waste landers pure through genetic engineering or breeding. Now he has a willing leader, Barnaky. That is willing to let the Enclave experiment to make humanity pure again, think about it people.

I am not asking for Fallout 4 to be focused on the Midwestern Brotherhood, but we all know there will be BoS somewhere in the game and I want those BoS to be Midwestern Brotherhood under General Barnaky. Even if we don't see General Barnaky, I would like mention of him as well as the Mutant Liberation Army, as well as the events I mentioned.

Having the Enclave remnants as part of it all, is optional.

Also the Calculator army didn’t all come from Vault Zero. The Calculator sent out robots, and they came across pre-war factories as well as a nuclear power plant. Using them the Calculator expanded its army to a large size. The Midwestern Brotherhood destroyed those factories and took the power plant offline.
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Post » Thu Oct 11, 2012 2:53 pm

Granted, I am not well versed in in the lore as most of you, but wouldn't the Barnaky ending serve to weaken the BoS? Vegas taught us one thing, IMO, wether its NCR or Legion, they are the power in the west. Whoever controls the Dam, with no opposition from the Enclave, can pretty much re-establish their resources and begin to expand East.

If the Barnaky ending is cannon, the fight will (soon enough) become 2 fronts, the Mutants on one side and the NCR or Legion on the other. Perhaps I am missing something (which is probably a lot) but the BoS destroyed any chance to enhance their power throu robotic means, and they seem to either misuse or destroy whatever resources they happen to come across. How do they sustain an army that can reasonably defend off both mutants and the attackers from out west?

I don't see Midwestern Brotherhood as the white knights, but Political actors ensuring their own survival. One that surely would be easier aligned with Mutants, though not seen as equals, but fighting for the same cause.

Of course all this changes if House ending becomes cannon, but I am assuming that can't happen, and shouldn't for the sake of us and this argument.
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