It seems instantaneous fast travel is the status quo in the industry, but most elder scrolls veterans prefer the Morrowind style of transportation services. To accommodate both groups of consumers there should be a choice at the beginning of the game that lets you choose if you want to play regular or hardcoe.


Regular: Instant Fast Travel and quest marker with compass

hardcoe: Transportation services available only in cities and most villages for a price; no quest marker or compass. You must refer to your journal and explore to find your destination,

Nordic hardcoe: same as hardcoe but you must eat and drink to survive.

There've been a million threads on this already.

Long story short:
Morrowind fans are never going to be happy, even though the answer to this problem in the end really is going to be, "just don't use it" because it's the only choice it seems. This horse has been flogged for too long.

I didn't vote, I didn't like any of your options. I would like quest markers to show the destination but not be in the dungeon. I don't want the magic compass. Also, I'd like fast travel more akin to Oblivion's but only allows you to travel to Cities or villages.

A choice is the best thing, yes. Definitely. Everyone gets happy, and it wouldn't really take too long time for Bethesda to create a transportation system.

However, what I would like to add is that I would prefer a possible hardcoe mode to be fully optional. And by that I mean to have it kind of as a "checklist" where you can check every "hardcoe-addon" you want (such as fast travel, no quest markers or anything alike, eat & drink mode, sleep mode, etc).

It would, from an utilitarianistic point of view, please the most amount of people, whether they are hardcoe, casuals, or something in between

Oh yeah. Nordic hardcoe ftw.


I like the checklist idea, that would make most players happy.
I'd still totally play something along the lines of OPs Nordic hardcoe. :disguise:

Why remove compasses? I'd like to know if I was going east, west, south, or north.

I seriously hate fast travel. Just give us an option to turn it off when we want.

Why do you have to turn it off? I play the game just fine without using fast travel and when I need to get to the other side of the province, I'll use it then so I don't have a 20 min run to the other side. The only time I used fast travel to go everywhere was the first time I played Oblivion.

what i meant by the compass was the compass from oblivion because it showed you exactly where caves and ruins are that you haven't found yet. i personally like exploring and finding hidden dungeons and whatnot.

Yeah I would also play OP's Nordic hardcoe, but I'm pretty sure there are people that like just some things.


You can always look at your map?
Removing compass though isn't the most important thing to me. Removing quest markers are 1000000 times more important. At least to me
Removing nearby location-icons is also important... since it pretty much removes close-exploration

Quest markers get rid of the tedium of having to find the place at the quest giver explained exactly where it is yet it is vague enough that you can take a little bit long to find them. I think that quest markers just need to be placed on the map by the quest giver and only if they say they know where it is. However, the quest markers inside the dungeon need to be removed.

Noridc hardcoe FTW :mohawk:
Seriously though, I'd be perfectly fine with Oblivion's fast-travel if it didn't allow you to travel to cities you haven't yet reached by foot.

I like your idea of having the option. I would prefer normal, allowing me to use fast travel when I choose.

I bet dragon shouts are a part of the fast travel system

I don't understand why you must impose your will on others. Don't you think having the choice to play your way or anyone else's way is preferable?

Firstly the video is not mine, so obviously I didn't call you a newb.Secondly, the video just covers everything that I hate about fast travel.That's it.

This is what pete said on twitter about fast travel...

"DCDeacon @KEN_Hauge Not talking about fast travel yet. Still working on some things. Yes, better than Oblivion. Best game BGS has ever made."

Sounds promising!

Since we know Fast-travel is in, there doesn't really seem to be a point to this. Personally, I'd just like them to have some inter-city travel system in addition to the fast travel, so that those of us that want to opt out of the, "go anywhere whenever" system still have a system that we don't have to totally make-believe. It wouldn't be that difficult.




Fixed. The second part refers to a second question that people are neglecting to mention.

I think they should keep Oblivion's fast travel because it was a God-send for people who could only play the game in little bits.
However, I also feel they should add something akin to Morrowind's as well. Whatever the Nodric equivalent would be. Carts, or something.

Id say the best way to deal with fast travel is to sit back sipping my soda and watch bethesdas minions do what they do well.. and then be all surprised at whatever they come up with whenever they tell us.

1 Its the lazy thing to do...

2 Soda is always good.

3 I get to claim I said it would be like that when we finaly find out and all my posts claming it would be totaly something else are long gone....

4 No matter what I cant be blamed if it goes wrong.

5 Ice cream!

Since my post was on the bottom of the last page I'll repost for everyone. This is what pete said recently about fast travel on his twitter...

"DCDeacon @KEN_Hauge Not talking about fast travel yet. Still working on some things. Yes, better than Oblivion. Best game BGS has ever made."

Long boats and caravans most likely. Like the caravans mentioned in "The Real Barenziah."

The only all-round solution is going to be a choice. Personally, I wish they'd never introduced OB-style fast travel, as we wouldn't have this problem - but the fact is it's here to stay.

We will endure

I thought everyone had read the arguments against the "just don′t use it" crap. It′s not that simple, either the game is designed around having fast travel or it is not, with fast travel like in Oblivion you get...

- Less immersion (... I don′t need to say anything here)
- Less realistic landscape (if it is given that people fast travel to the next cave there will be put less thought into the location of the cave, they just expect players to just teleport in front of it and walk in anyway)
- Less realistic public services (they won′t bother with public transport services beyond horses if there is Oblivion fast travel)
- Worse design on monster distribution (monsters are generally put around points of interest, when it stops mattering where points of interest are the distribution of monsters becomes chaotic and unrealistic)

And I′m sure there are other bad things related to the Oblivion fast travel I missed, I generally do not want it back the way it was in Oblivion, heck I′d even not mind if any sort of fast travel was removed entirely, but that′s not gonna happen.

As I said on the other page, to get full understanding of Pete Hine's answer to the fast-travel question, you need to account for the second question he was answering.



Well, at least it shouldn't be to hard to mod in a Morrowind system. I'm sure the longboats will be in the game, and people can easily create some sort of caravan, and then give NPCs the ability to fast-travel you to certain locations. I guess the console crowd could miss out, but then that is to be expected.