We that makes me feel a bit better.

I think its 4, but I hope its 5.

Im not sure what the reasoning behind it truly was, but variation is at the bottom of the list I think. They could have easily made variant curiasses, and left just the "vanilla" amount of greaves. It would have been either the same or less work, then making whole variant armor sets. Also they will have to make a crap load of armors to even come close to the variations of separate greaves and armors. I think when all is said and done there will be actually less armor choices when compared to oblivion and morrowind, however alot of the mix and matching in OB and MW are pointless matches most people would use(matching greaves and cuirasses) but they were still a choice.

I'm kinda getting tired of the whole "down with consoles!", "Consoles are pieces of [censored].", "Consoles are ruining games." statements, I left the forums for a few days cause I was sick of the whining. It is NOT consoles fault, I play games on PC and console, I enjoy both, why can't people just except that some play console some play pc, both are enjoyable.

I don't care about armor variety so much, if it makes the game run and look smoother then by all means combine them. I will take less options if a game plays better. Like the COD argument earlier,I will take those weapon attachment losses in COD4 if it means balanced kill streaks and recoil. MW2 and all COD's there after play themselves after you reach a certain kill streak. Some the value or variety is lost because the damn game plays itself after a few kills. Thus going by what the dev's said variety will be lost in the pants department to ensure a better more solid experience and tone to the overall product. If this issue is really that annoying you might have bigger problems to worry about other then "I can't make my virtual barbie accessorize".

thats how i feel on that both have their ups and downs but people can never say, "okay you console has stuff thats better and my pc has stuff thats better and we can agree that both are good for gaming." but thats not the world we live in so there will always be people how just can't stop trying to call you stupid for using consoles or your an elitists because you like pc's. can't we just agree to disagree and shut the hell up about already.

I take my time writing a good OP and making a poll, and my reward is a stupid and inappropiate statement? Thanks.

it is hardwares fault which is old int he console thus creating that they are to blame.. of course you can always blame the devs instead for not making an entirely different version with higher requirements to put twice as much if not three times more content as some devs do these days.. of course that can lead to all the players who are pure selfish crying "OMG WHY CANT ME 360 HAVE THAT YOU GUYS SUXX BALLLLS" because they have no clue what hardware is and devs are not magicians...

I voted armor variation. I have seen many screenshots of similar armor pieces with slight changes, such as different pauldrons, modified hauberks, etc... I think the armor merging makes Bethesda able to deliver more in diversity in armor. lt is easy for Bethesda to make slight changes in the armor all at once, and and gives more free time to design many different armor pieces at once. In my opinion, this means much more different armor than before, and those upset about less pieces will be satisfied because of slight differences in these different parts of the armor.

Armor 1: (Only belts for torso, one shoulder armor)
http://www.elderscrolls.com/skyrim/media/screenshots/draugr-hero/

Armor 2: (Torso armor with belts, similar design, metal shoulder armor, two shoulder pieces)
http://www.elderscrolls.com/skyrim/media/screenshots/companions/

You're welcome. It'l get to the point later where that statement won't sound so stupid. It was not even aimed at you really but the forum as a whole on this..this non issue.

It frustrated me to no end how my Daedric cuirass clipped with my skirt (I played in French, so the word was jupe, which translates to skirt, so I don't know if that's the proper term- btw, my character was male).
It'd be nice if they took the time to make pieces of armor not only separate, but with clothing allowed to be layered with it. You could create some really cool looks with that in Morrowind (but, of course, there was the clipping...).

You don't seem to understand the complaint.
Consoles are behind PC's in terms of graphics capabilities. Also, they will never match PC's superior user interface and customizability, Making the game for both console and PC often involves bringing the game down to the level of consoles. This is terribly frustrating for PC gamers, who know that their experience could be so much better on their high end PC's if only the devs weren't making sure graphics were lowered to console appropriate levels.
As a good example, take Crysis 2. It's predecessor was PC only, and it had absolutely fantastic graphics. Crysis 2 is cross-platform. As a result, they used DirectX 9, an older and inferior version, because that's all consoles could handle. This upset the PC crowd, because first of all, the original Crysis used DirectX 10, and second of all, the graphics weren't much improved because of this concession to consoles. Thankfully, Crytek has acquiesced and will be releasing a patch for PC gamers to be able to use DirectX 11, and thus be fully able to enjoy the splendid graphics.

I've played some games on consoles, and they were fun. I remember going to my friend's house and playing with him on his N64. But for dedicated gamers, it's insulting and very frustrating to lower a game down to console level controls and particularly console graphics.
People worry that Skyrim will be limited by it's being cross platform, and they have good reason to. We PC gamers have been promised superior options, but we know that many things simply can't differ from both platforms, this merging of cuirasses and greaves being a possible example.

Meh, I didn't like the idea of the merge at first, but I'm over it now. I'm sure Skyrims armor will be just fine. Besides, it is not like complaining about it will make any difference now...

Yea but crysis is just a show piece and not really even that good of a game. Battlefield 3 on the other hand is a fantastic game and its PC version is not limited to the graphical constraints of console's,but still looks [censored] impressive no matter what platform you play it on. Look at battlefield 3 and tell me dice is held back by consoles. Good developers who have a large enough cash flow can make fantastic games no matter the constraint.

It's certainly not laziness. All of this talk is ridiculous. You aren't really losing anything. If anything we should rejoice because now there are more armor types which all render easier allowing more space for rendering other things(environments, more npc's, etc.). Also, with more armor/clothing types you'll have a richer world where there are that much less people wearing the same boring armor/clothing you've been seeing on the past 300 people. There will be drawbacks, but I'm certain in the end we'll all be able to accept the benefits of the decision over the cons. No big deal!

I'd love to play WaW.

This. WaW is my favorite COD right behind it is COD4.

I dont really care if the tops and bottom armors are combined...as long as the clothes dont look like jumpsuits, i want them to look seperate

I had quite a bit of fun with Crysis...


And MegaMandis, we are losing a lot. We are losing the ability to mix and match armor and to create our own unique looks. I get the feeling you've never played Morrowind.

Trust me, Morrowind had plenty of kinds of armor and we got to do things like choose what pants we could wear underneath and even wear a robe over your greaves. This made for a very cool effect. But now, we can't even pick our greaves. If they do make a cuirass with a robe around the greaves, it'll only be that cuirass. We won't get to choose.

I played it before, but not really enough multiplayer. I ws mainly in it for the zombies. But now I am more of a PvP person when it comes to CoD. BO servers svckED. Still lke it though. LOVED CoD4.

I would say these two are probably the main reasons for armor merging.

Cryengine 2 is still the best graphics/sandbox engine in the industry that's actually been used for a game.

Crysis is the best out of the series if you played it when it was live in MP it was the best MP you could find especially in Power struggle 2 hour long matches they were epic never ending battles action everywhere you went even in the most remote locations you could have the most you ever had. It did require decent rigs when it released which is why they didn't make a big selling and because PB never updated it was overran by hackers which I experienced personally as a Admin in the last few years now on a good day your lucky to get a full server let alone a clean one.

Now BF3 may or may not be good it will not better RO2 I can tell you that right now, way to many core features of Battlefield has been taken out of BF3 the main core feature is teamwork with 4 man squads instead of 6 and missing commander will make it utterly stupid trying to coordinate a team with a full 32 player team.. adding 64 players and bigger maps plus jets doesn't make it a BF Original it just DICE knows that if they made another game with 24 player maps and raised the cap to 32 they would loose the audience that gave DICE the chance to even advance in the game industry back in 2000. I love battlefield I hope I am wrong about BF3 because I enjoy BF1942, 2, and 2142 more then any other FPS on the market right now with RO2 that looks like its going change big time especially with dev created mods that makes the game in different eras. Also BF3 yet to annouce mod tools yet which is a huge part of Battlefield if you want evidence of such go look BF2 PR mod or FH2

Hardly.

I understand the frustration, but sadly there are things we have to live with, like my inability to play anything that won't run on my laptop.

what is better then in all ways?

The real reason is that Bethesda is finally realizing that real warriors don't wear pants and are boldly and slowly trying to imply that though each Bethesda game till no one notices in some future game that you wearing boots, gloves, chest plate and a plumbers crack. This is the only logical explanation to me.