Bethesda's engine's are light years ahead in the sandbox department.

your funny are we talking about the same engine here?

Graphics are no were as good, size of maps in Cryengine 2 can reach and surpass the size beths current engine can.
never seen destruction in beth's engine that is solely based on physics

Of course beth's engine is based of what a 360 can handle so I don't really count it as a fair comparison

@Salidin

They aren't releasing any mod tools for BF3

http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/07/05/battlefield-3-dev-we-are-not-going-to-make-any-modding-tools/

What do graphics have to do with sandbox game play?


Prove it. Lets see some numbers.


Again, what does that have to do with sandbox game play?


No, it's not. The engine is capable of WAY more than the 360 can handle. Have you even modded any of Betheda's games?

Voted for "Lazy", but I'm 50/50 between that and simplifying for the concoles ...... not the concole players, as stated in the OP's flaming poll.

As far as putting more NPCs on the screen at once I'm calling BS on that one, that would be a one major butterfly effect from one missing armour slot. Now if Matt said that it would be easier to give more NPCs better animations I would give him more merit on that argument.

Now I am really hoping that being able to "forge" will fix all my issues with this downward spiral of streamlining from Morrowind to Skyrim, and people like me will stop complaining. I don't mind if one more option is taken away, I just want that option replaced by a better option.

I think the reason for merging armour is a combination of most, if not all of the ones listed.

Whatever their reasons are though, and as valid as they may be, I think it's absolutely the wrong decision to make. Not a good trade off at all.

Xbox

not the reason

Please admit that consoles are inferior to PC's in terms of graphics and interface, then please concede that either Skyrim will experience some dumbing down to suit consoles or that Bethesda is working on two completely different games. Yes, we were told we'd be getting better textures for PC. But there is much more to it than that.

Also, Crysis is not an RPG but it is definitely "sandbox." You get to travel all over the island freely and interact with everything in whatever way you choose. There are many ways to complete objectives and an editor is included to let you make your own equally sandboxy scenarios. I don't want to play some devoted fan Crysis v. TES game, but don't act like neither are at all comparable.

I voted laziness/not a priority but I think it's more a question of "not a priority." They are ignoring many good old features and adding a few new ones. They are streamlining. I think Skyrim will be a good game and unless the reviews say it makes your computer explode I will be buying it and playing it. That said, I think they are really alienating a lot of people by removing all these features and stooping to accommodate console limitations. They should just make a TES spinoff specifically and solely for consoles and leave Skyrim to PC players.

i went with armor variation, based on the hope that there actually is some degree of aesthetic customization when it comes to armor (as the pics of variations of leather armor seem to suggest). i did love morrowind's armor, but it did lead to some serious clipping, and the immense level of customization was only possible because of the hideous segmented bodies everyone had. i always thought the many armor slots were a sort of stand-in for proper customization, and if bethesda has actually finally implemented some dedicated customization and the "smithing system" isnt just a slightly expanded version of madness/amber armor, then i can understand and accept the decision.

ill certainly miss being able to put skirts and robes over armor over clothing and the endless possibilities therein, but if more armor types and individual customization are the tradeoff, ill take it. god help us if that isnt the case though

The better bodies mod repaired that entirely without a single hitch. Yeah, Bethesda should have done it, but the community did it beautifully first and I enjoyed smooth, organic bodies. No homo

That would be the dumbest idea of all time, why should pc gamers get catered more than consoles. You complain that console games are getting more attention but then you say pc should be instead that means your Hippocratic and i disagree with you with every fiber of my being.

That has absolutely nothing to do with what we are talking about.


You haven't even got the slightest clue what we are talking about. He said the Crisis 2 engine was the best sandbox engine ever made and i'm disputing that. He also said that Bethesda's engine capabilities are limited to what the 360 is capable of and that is just utterly false. Anyone that has modded them can tell you that the engines are capable of WAY more than the 360 can handle. Butt the f out if your not going to read everything that has been said.

What The Hell do you mean simplifying for Console gamers. Listen i play my strategy games on my pc and my fighting, shooting, actioning, RPGing, and pretty much everything else on my huge fracking flat screen with Level ten surround sound. Things don't have to be dumbed down for consoles or console users. This is techist behavior. That's like me calling for games to have a limited life span and for all hardware to be obsolete every six months to make the PCers happy. Or calling my black nieghbor the n word. Just not cool. so chill the hate before the hate chills you.

Also if you want to wear fur greaves and leather curiasses at the same time mod it and let the rest of us enjoy a more aesthetically cohesive experience.

Why? Because each platform has its own capabilities, and it's spitting in the face of PC players to make a lesser game just for the sake of fitting both platforms.
I'm not complaining that consoles get more attention. I'm complaining that consoles get attention, period. Skyrim would arguably be a better game if it was released first and foremost for PC.

I'm sorry, but PC's DO have better graphics and interface. Until the next generation of consoles is out, it is futile to deny it.

And it's hypocritical, not Hippocratic. I'm not a doctor, nor do I have much in common with an ancient Greek physician that created the framework for modern medicine.

Simplifying the game for console players and i doubt there will be more than 2 or 3 new armor pieces

nooo don't say that I don't want Skyrim to be like gothic 4!!!!

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two things i forgot the hypocritical thing so put hippocratic, and just because it has better interface and graphics doesn't mean consoles should be left because some people can't afford a good pc for gaming. i have a pc and its plays all games maxed out but i just don't believe that they can't play games just because you want it exclusively for pc, everyone should be able to play games the want that are affordable and not pay hundreds of dollars just to play games with a touch better graphics. and thats not the most important part of a game so if graphics are not as good you could still play games that are truly fun for lots of people.

You techist bastard.... PC's wouldn't even have a decent gaming arena if not for the industry crafted and defined by Arcades then consoles. And SNES was kicking MDOS's ass the same way the Wii U and PS4 will show you how limited a PC's capabilities are.

Just for the record i have never grabbed a bunch of friends and two thirty packs to gather around my 24in computer screen and play RockBand with my hot drunk nieghbor lady trying to sing Freebird as i load a bong and call for a pizza.

If Bethesda is going to make a game why would the alienate 90% of thier fanbase tardaro?

Keep that PC eletist crap to yourself.

TBH, I think that the best solution would be to make Skyrim for PC, and to make a console port afterwards.

ClusterChuck, you lost all credibility when you compared me preferring PCs to racism. I sincerely hope you're joking.

or you can be happy for what they give you and stop complaining all the time

I'll pretend that there isn't more than one style/type/variation of leather/armor/or w/e it is shown on the nord, and say that they are lazy.

I was just pointing out how dumb it would be for Beth to screw over 90% of thier fans that can and will play thier awesome game on release. :brokencomputer: And there are Plenty of cons to both PC's and console. It's just console user really don't go throwing PC's limitations in PCers faces like a bunch of stuck up douches. We are more chillaxed about the hobby that we indule in. You are like a christian telling an athiest he's going to hell. When the athiests aren't in your face about the fallicy of your extremist beliefs. Techist. You are a techist. Do you want to shove my PS3 in an oven? Lynch my NeoGeo? Euthinize my 3DS? Sterilize my SNES? Give smallpox via blankets to my dreamcast? ...i bet you do...

And he keeps going... Now he's comparing me to the holocaust


Pray tell, what are PCs' limitations?