Not the holocaust, just genocide in general.

Pc or console it doesn't matter its the same game on both.

Official reasons directly stated by Bethesda: To Increase NPC's and Armor Variation.


Anything else is conspiracy theories and e-raging from fankids. I'm not gonna trust an angry rpg-codex nerd over Bethesda.

thats what i said from the start

someone has it wrong over there at bethesda. either todd is when he said that they could pretty much do everything they wanted with the xbox and the only difference a next gen console could make would be making the game prettier. or the stuff about being able to render extra npcs with combined armor is true. if the pathetic xbox really does need combined armor to render extra npcs that means that todd was wrong and the xbox really is holding back game design. im going with the xbox is holding back game design theory.

okay...

First, multiplayer. no spiltscreen for say racers or shooter, also no decent sports are possible, (same screen) boxing, fighting, madden, etc.

second, "Just for the record i have never grabbed a bunch of friends and two thirty packs to gather around my 24in computer screen and play RockBand with my hot drunk nieghbor lady trying to sing Freebird as i load a bong and call for a pizza."

third, My 64" flatscreen with killer surround sound and a PS3 controller near every armrest.

fourth, eight month techcyles. If you don't make a significant investment than next years games will play like crap on your hardware.

fifth, it's harder to throw a keyboard across the room.

sixth, next gen consoles are going to A do everything that a PC does, like they will be actually OS run personal computer that are steamlined for effeciency and B do so much more cause the console competition wars is what fuels innovation in the industry. which PC games capitalize on.

seven, a huge percent of PC gamer are techist douches that sully this noble pursuit of escapism.

eight, motion control (not for TES mind you)

nine, they smell bad and get viruses

ten, It takes half an hour just to get a game set up, just find out you can't run it.

eleven Crysis was an atrocity

twelve, your a techist GTFO

I'm a PC player and i really don't think Console gamers need the game "Simplified" anymore than us. It may have something to do with the console's not being able to handle that much information (they might of needed to find a way to add more PC's on screen)..but not the players.
Anyhow,i would rather they merged them and have more choice of Armour

It's a good move and one that doesn't bother me atall

if you mean the wii mote and kinect.........most serious gamers are laughing at you right now. and if you want gimmicks for PC that you wont have for any console then you can look at the IR head tracking and also nvidia cards have those 3d glasses although i cant stand using them myself. add to that joysticks, racing wheels, brake/accelrator pedals etc.

you flat out lied about a couple of things as well.........your big screen TV will run off any computer these days an it will run at a higher resolution than consoles can put out. consoles are mostly 720 and even the 1080 games arent true 1080 they are just scaled up so they still look crappy.

you do not need to upgrade your PC every 8 months. prior to my recent build i was using a 3 year old PC and it ran all the games last year just fine and i would have only had to turn a couple of the newer current ones down to medium settings which still looks waaaaaaaaaay better than any console will.

the only thing i will agree with you on is the lack of sports and racing games although im perfectly happy playing dirt 3 myself.

as for next gen consoles..........you wont be seeing one for at least 2 years and PCs are already 10x more powerful than consoles are. consoles at this point are just toaster ovens. sony is even releasing the VITA which is a handheld unit that is supposedly as powerful as an xbox........a HANDHELD unit as powerful as a console. consoles are just holding back game desing now and i cant wait till we get new ones.

Dude, why can't you just be polite about your opinions? You seriously need to get off your PC high horse. Not everyone can afford expensive rigs. Most of Bethesda's customers are on consoles so why would they alienate those fans? If you don't like the graphics and have problems with Skyrim's features due to console "dumbing down" then you can download some mods. Anywho, I honestly don't care about the merging of slots seeing as I prefer to just go with the full armor sets.

That could be just an excuse, how much more could it improve performance of more NPCs on the screen? and would you be satisfied if they only added a few more armor pieces?

You sir, deserve to be knighted.

You can thank the consoles for that.

Sony (in the console camp) just revolutionzed yet again. That's your argument. Listen nobody cares when a new video card is released. It's frackin news when the big hitters in this industry give us something new. and i can't tink of anything like .... Mario, Master Chief, Link, Sonic, Cloud, Solid Snake, Lara Croft.....(i could go on) .... rising out of the PC camp like a Champion in Arms providing anedotical evidence for it's own supremecy.

He actually needs to be Educated ,as you can do all of that on a PC (apert from split screen)


For the record i'm getting it for PS3 as well as my PC. I have nothing against consoles,i love mine,but that list of what consoles can do over PC's is flawed.

Plus you don't have to upgrade every six months (lol) i have a beast ...it's been a beast for 3 years now.

STALKER, mount and blade, amnesia, arma series, pretty much any RTS, battlefield 3 is going to look substantially better by magnitudes on PC than it will on any console. you seem to forget that PCs are over 40% of the gaming market larger than both xbox or sony. thats why they say "consoles" are a larger market cause they combine 2 platforms against PC. i could care less about another kiddie mario or zelda game and the last metal gear game i played was a joke. thats why people called it "movie gear solid" i can play all the good metal gear games or mario games or sonic etc on my computer..........you would have to go out and get another console.

your not going to win because anyone that has a gaming PC and a console flat out knows that PCs are just waaaaay better at this point. you can hook up a wireless controller to your PC or laptop and relax on the couch and play on you big screen TV with waay better graphics than you will ever get on any primitive console. the only thing i play on consoles are racing games and the occasional platformer. sports is also better on console but i dont play sportsgames. i play mostly rpgs, fps and RTS games all of which are far supieror on the PC system.

I don't really care but if I had to think about the reason then I would probably say that there is some limitations that bethesda probably have to abide by.

And your not a [censored]. Which is good, come on over and have tea. We have a killer bonfire, a pretty chill atomosphere. And you are less likely to get your ass kicked by koreans.

But you can't play rockband on your PC not without butchering it some how, and to that point social-in-the-room gaming is a console thing.. And console innovation does define games every generation.

The list was really just a retort of how PCers list off crap about console, and how they're screwing them over. You just never see anything like that cuz console gamers aren't usually pricks.

Who are these guys? characters only PCers know? oh... every one knows Mario and company.


RTS i get. Warcraft was the shiat before WoW.

yeah, you know us Koreans love that Starcraft lol

Sure PC was first but consoles have been around for a very long time so I personally don't see the problems in them. Consoles boost sales and with this game companies can afford to be more innovating.

the whole reason this became a platform war.....AGAIN!! is because you keep adding the option on polls to do so. and pc gamers blame consoles for everything wrong with a game even when they aren't giving valid points other than pc rulez consoles svck which is in the eyes of the beholder. also they don't know what there talking about they don't do research on a problem they go straight to bull crap conclusions every time so we need to stop making topics like this all together because no one can ever be civil.

thank you. THIS ^

Also Miyamoto is a god among PC developers. Every PC exclusive dev team was influenced by his games. Know thy roots.

They both contribute to the industry and that is all that should really matter at all

And it's fun. Like tug of war with logic and anonomys Avatar.

exactly! it seems that most can't like them both its like black and white there can be no grey

Can't like playing both anymore