The Black Plague of Tamriel : IV - Oblivion

» Fri Sep 03, 2010 5:32 pm

It sounds like a missing master. Right-click on one of the saves that is not loading and choose "diff masters." Post that here.

» Fri Sep 03, 2010 5:09 am

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Removed Masters (Save 26 - Lucille - Bast Goddess Bar, Level 9, Playing Time 53.24.48.ess):
? A Very Silly Slaughterfish Mod.esp

? AW_Wings.esp

? Companion Mark and Recall.esp

? CuteElf11.esp

? Dancers clothes.esp

? Darker_Caves-8944.esp

? Diano2_UltraLite.esp

? DianoArmor2.esp

? Enhanced Key Functionality [Shivering Isles].esp

? Enhanced Key Functionality.esp

? Hip-huggers.esp

? Map Marker Overhaul.esp

? newlifedetect.esp

? OOO-Armor_Perks_WearRate_Repair.esp

? OOO-Combat_Skills_Perks_Marksmanship.esp

? OOO-Dangerous_Traps.esp

? OOO-Deadly_Combat.esp

? OOO-DLT_Immersion.esp

? OOO-Potions.esp

? OOO-ThiefGuild_Difficult.esp

? Pegasus Armor Set.esp

? Rideable_Crab.esp

? TESTSword.esp

? TFF_Races_Base.esp

? TFF_Races_Base_RSM.esp

? Vampiria.esp

? Velveteen_Armor_HGEC.esp

? Wings of Tyrael.esp

Added Masters (Active Masters):
? AWS-ShiveringIsles.esp

? Books of Console v1.esp

? Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp

? CM Partners Special NPCs.esp

? CM Partners More NPCs.esp

? CM Partners Marker NPCs.esp

» Fri Sep 03, 2010 4:49 pm

The plugins you have added should not be causing problems; however, you have removed quite a few mods. Try right-clicking on the missing plugins (red check boxes) in the saves master record and choosing "disable" for each of them. Afterward, right-click on the save and choose "Update NPC Levels."

» Fri Sep 03, 2010 12:27 pm

yer, I removed a lot because they were worthless clothing mods that I did not like...and then there were a few others that really didn't benefit the game much at all or I just thought plain useless, so to prevent junking up of my data folder, I decided NOT to install those ones again.

but apparently I forgot to reinstall my race mod (thought I swear I DID reinstall it) so perhaps that is a problem? though I have played before with my race mod not active and there was no problem...

edit:
well...the load bar progressed further than the last time I tried loading a save...but still...no luck...still COL

oh, and I don't know how relevant this is to the situation, but the entire master list in Wrye is showing all .esps (except one) as orange, the one other is green, and all the esms are blue.

» Fri Sep 03, 2010 10:16 am

ugh...well I have poked and prodded around and I am still not getting good results....I am wondering if maybe I installed a mod wrong? would Wrye tell me that?

here, I read in one of the posts you posted in Tom that its better to have the Wrye LO, so, here is my LO again, but from Wrye:

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Active Mod Files:00  Oblivion.esm01  TR_OoT_Main.esm02  AWS-Core.esm03  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.33]04  Diverse Wisps - Base.esm05  Kvatch Rebuilt.esm06  BetterMusicSystem.esm07  CM Partners.esm08  HorseCombatMaster.esm09  DLCShiveringIsles.esp0A  AWS-ShiveringIsles.esp0B  Books of Console v1.esp0C  TryBeforeYouBuy.esp0D  Update My Statue.esp  [Version 1.30]0E  Living Economy.esp0F  Living Economy - Items.esp10  BlackLuster.esp11  Growlfs Animated Hair.esp12  R18PN - Amy Armor Set.esp13  Hentai_AthenaArmour.esp14  HaydoxRapier.esp15  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.33]16  OOO-Water_Weeds.esp  [Version 1.33]17  Diverse Wisps - for Vanilla.esp18  Ivellon.esp  [Version 1.7a]19  AdenseEpicDungeon1_5.esp1A  BHC_Expanded.esp  [Version 1.2]1B  eyja.esp1C  FiveBlindMiceBeta.esp1D  Hentai Mania.esp1E  Kragenir's Death Quest.esp1F  KDQ - Rural Line Additions.esp20  Kvatch Rebuilt.esp21  Kvatch Rebuilt - OOO Compatibility.esp22  bladesfactionmod.esp23  Malevolent.esp24  ScarletMonastery.esp25  Side's Sailing Ships.esp26  TR_Stirk.esp27  Apachii_Goddess_Store.esp28  Arena_BattlesV1.1.esp29  The Lost Spires.esp2A  HoarfrostCastle.esp2B  road+bridges.esp  [Version 4.5.4]2C  Harvest [Flora].esp  [Version 3.0.0]2D  Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.0.0]2E  Unlimited Rings 1.0.esp2F  Unlimited Amulets 1.0.esp30  RealisticHealth.esp31  MidasSpells.esp32  Deadly Reflex 5 - Timed Block with no damage or durability changes.esp33  DeadlyReflex 5 - Combat Moves.esp34  Oblivion XP.esp  [Version 4.1.5]35  CuteElf11.esp  [Version 1.3.5]36  _Ren_BeautyPack_full.esp37  AinmhiRace.esp38  CM Partners.esp39  CM Partners Special NPCs.esp3A  CM Partners NPC.esp3B  CM Partners More NPCs.esp3C  CM Partners Marker NPCs.esp3D  CM Partners Extra NPCs.esp3E  bgMagicEV.esp  [Version 1.7EV]3F  bgMagicItemSigil.esp  [Version 1.68EV]40  bgMagicEVStartspells.esp  [Version 1.68EV]41  bgMagicBonus.esp  [Version 1.7EV]42  bgMagicEVPaperChase.esp  [Version 1.68EV]43  bgMagicAlchemy.esp  [Version 1.57]44  bgMagicPotionNumberSoulGemValue.esp  [Version 1.68UV]45  bgMagicEVShader.esp  [Version 1.7EV]46  bgMagicLightningbolt.esp47  NRB4 Standard Road Record.esp48  Oblivion Graphics Extender Support.esp  [Version 0.2]49  PWISpells.esp4A  AHIRUs_Glasses_v1.esp4B  Western Armor.esp4C  PlayerCampsite.esp4D  3 Alternative Stories.esp  [Version 1.1]4E  Birthsigns Reimagined.esp4F  Versa's Item and Flora Overhaul.esp50  Atroyen.esp  [Version 1]51  cmSashaSonja.esp52  Kawaii.esp53  SRJhealCompanion.esp54  UniversalOblivionMod.esp55  Camp Simplicity.esp56  Lamayo's Dragon Bow.esp57  RC43 Christmas.esp

» Fri Sep 03, 2010 8:09 pm

You do not have a bashed patch? You need to sort those plugins hanging around at the bottom there. That might help some. You should update OOO as well.

http://sites.google.com/site/oblivionpoinfo/finishinstall/loadorder <-- WIP
http://sites.google.com/site/oblivionpoinfo/downloadmods <-- links to OOO 1.34b5 (for full) and the OOO 1.33b LITE update

» Fri Sep 03, 2010 10:22 am

You do not have a bashed patch? You need to sort those plugins hanging around at the bottom there. That might help some. You should update OOO as well.

http://sites.google.com/site/oblivionpoinfo/finishinstall/loadorder <-- WIP
http://sites.google.com/site/oblivionpoinfo/downloadmods <-- links to OOO 1.34b5 (for full) and the OOO 1.33b LITE update

wall of text....
just staring at it gives me a headache, I wonder how well I will be able to focus on reading it.

I downloaded the patch, but I would not imagine that to be the cause of me crashing....and the same goes for the unknown mods (at the bottom).

What is a bashed patch? and should I have one?

» Fri Sep 03, 2010 7:26 am

Not all users need the bashed patch, but it is helpful to most of them. I am sorry about the "wall of text" on the LO page. That is why I tacked on the "WIP" comment. Just skim down to the load order template for guidance for hand-placing the plugins that BOSS does not recognize. I will do something about that text later...sorry about that...

» Fri Sep 03, 2010 12:54 pm

Not all users need the bashed patch, but it is helpful to most of them. I am sorry about the "wall of text" on the LO page. That is why I tacked on the "WIP" comment. Just skim down to the load order template for guidance for hand-placing the plugins that BOSS does not recognize. I will do something about that text later...sorry about that...

lol, its no big deal.

I don't think this is going to fix the problem though....I wish this would be over with now....what are we at 75 posts now to resolve one problem? well, I suppose it was multiple problems but each spawned off one another...

EDIT: correction: 83 posts

» Fri Sep 03, 2010 8:04 pm

You need to fix your load order, and the bashed patch may help remedy some of your problems. If you would go all the way through with the recommended changes, then new problems might stop springing up. When I try to help people with their mod setups, I go for the full stability servicing method, no patch jobs. If there is something that should be fixed, even if the problems it may produce have not appeared yet, I suggest it anyway. It is preemptive, preventative.

» Fri Sep 03, 2010 1:46 pm

understandable, but I would rather start with a patch and then make it more permanent...you know, focus on one problem at a time rather then tackling them all.
So first, let's just get the game to work, and once it does then we'll see about preventing future COL

» Fri Sep 03, 2010 8:38 pm

This problem could be related to the changes I am mentioning in some way. Not all problems are confined to one mod or one part of your setup. It is better if you fix the loose ends you can see to make sure they are not contributing to the problem.

» Fri Sep 03, 2010 8:48 am

This problem could be related to the changes I am mentioning in some way. Not all problems are confined to one mod or one part of your setup. It is better if you fix the loose ends you can see to make sure they are not contributing to the problem.

well..your the doctor here, and I am the patient....diagnose the problem, then go about it how you see how to remedy it. I will just follow what you ask, and hopefully soon this will be fixed.

» Fri Sep 03, 2010 4:52 am

Hopefully...Now, post your load order after hand placing the mods that BOSS does not recognize. Use the template I linked earlier. I will definitely raise the LO page on my ToDo list. That mess is embarrassing.

» Fri Sep 03, 2010 10:26 am

I hope I did this right...there were a few I was unsure about (yes I used your template but still was unsure) so hopefully they are in the right place now.

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Active Mod Files:00  Oblivion.esm01  TR_OoT_Main.esm02  AWS-Core.esm03  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.33]04  Diverse Wisps - Base.esm05  Kvatch Rebuilt.esm06  BetterMusicSystem.esm07  CM Partners.esm08  HorseCombatMaster.esm09  DLCShiveringIsles.esp0A  AWS-ShiveringIsles.esp0B  Books of Console v1.esp0C  TryBeforeYouBuy.esp0D  Update My Statue.esp  [Version 1.30]0E  Living Economy.esp0F  Living Economy - Items.esp10  BlackLuster.esp11  Lamayo's Dragon Bow.esp12  Growlfs Animated Hair.esp13  R18PN - Amy Armor Set.esp14  Hentai_AthenaArmour.esp15  AHIRUs_Glasses_v1.esp16  Western Armor.esp17  HaydoxRapier.esp18  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.33]19  OOO-Water_Weeds.esp  [Version 1.33]1A  Versa's Item and Flora Overhaul.esp1B  Diverse Wisps - for Vanilla.esp1C  Ivellon.esp  [Version 1.7a]1D  AdenseEpicDungeon1_5.esp1E  BHC_Expanded.esp  [Version 1.2]1F  eyja.esp20  FiveBlindMiceBeta.esp21  Hentai Mania.esp22  Kragenir's Death Quest.esp23  KDQ - Rural Line Additions.esp24  Kvatch Rebuilt.esp25  Kvatch Rebuilt - OOO Compatibility.esp26  bladesfactionmod.esp27  Malevolent.esp28  Camp Simplicity.esp29  RC43 Christmas.esp2A  ScarletMonastery.esp2B  Side's Sailing Ships.esp2C  PlayerCampsite.esp2D  TR_Stirk.esp2E  Apachii_Goddess_Store.esp2F  Arena_BattlesV1.1.esp30  Atroyen.esp  [Version 1]31  UniversalOblivionMod.esp32  The Lost Spires.esp33  HoarfrostCastle.esp34  PWISpells.esp35  road+bridges.esp  [Version 4.5.4]36  Harvest [Flora].esp  [Version 3.0.0]37  Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.0.0]38  Unlimited Rings 1.0.esp39  Unlimited Amulets 1.0.esp3A  RealisticHealth.esp3B  MidasSpells.esp3C  Deadly Reflex 5 - Timed Block with no damage or durability changes.esp3D  DeadlyReflex 5 - Combat Moves.esp3E  Oblivion XP.esp  [Version 4.1.5]3F  CuteElf11.esp  [Version 1.3.5]40  _Ren_BeautyPack_full.esp41  AinmhiRace.esp42  cmSashaSonja.esp43  Kawaii.esp44  CM Partners.esp45  CM Partners Special NPCs.esp46  CM Partners NPC.esp47  CM Partners More NPCs.esp48  CM Partners Marker NPCs.esp49  CM Partners Extra NPCs.esp4A  SRJhealCompanion.esp4B  bgMagicEV.esp  [Version 1.7EV]4C  bgMagicItemSigil.esp  [Version 1.68EV]4D  bgMagicEVStartspells.esp  [Version 1.68EV]4E  bgMagicBonus.esp  [Version 1.7EV]4F  bgMagicEVPaperChase.esp  [Version 1.68EV]50  bgMagicAlchemy.esp  [Version 1.57]51  bgMagicPotionNumberSoulGemValue.esp  [Version 1.68UV]52  bgMagicEVShader.esp  [Version 1.7EV]53  bgMagicLightningbolt.esp54  NRB4 Standard Road Record.esp55  Oblivion Graphics Extender Support.esp  [Version 0.2]56  3 Alternative Stories.esp  [Version 1.1]57  Birthsigns Reimagined.esp

» Fri Sep 03, 2010 6:42 pm

I don't know if I tried this already since this reinstall...but I turned off all my mods and left the required stuff (Oblivion Master, Shivering Isles) on...

I am thinking I should try AGAIN another clean install...but this time I am only going to put a few mods in at a time, make sure they work, then repeat.....I don't think we are going to be able to fix this problem unless I do this....

» Fri Sep 03, 2010 2:33 pm

Your LO looked fine, excepting OOO being version 1.33 and the following mods being in the wrong order:

56 3 Alternative Stories.esp [Version 1.1]
57 Birthsigns Reimagined.esp

What are those? The Birthsigns mod should either be placed in the Skill, Attributes and Leveling section or near the race rebalancing overhauls. Look at the BOSS Masterlist (a link can be found under Links in the sidebar) to figure out where the alternate start mods are. That is where I assume that plugin belongs.

» Fri Sep 03, 2010 7:53 am

alright it's all done, I moved those two, next Dr. Tomlong?

» Fri Sep 03, 2010 4:58 pm

http://sites.google.com/site/oblivionpoinfo/downloadmods: If you are using OOO Full, download the OOO 1.34b5 update; else, download the OOO 1.33b Lite update.
http://sites.google.com/site/oblivionpoinfo/walkthroughs/mmmooo/createomods: If you grab 1.34b5, you may want to add a small script to its OMOD, and you can find instructions here.
Deactivate green, purple and italicized-text plugins.
Make sure OGE support is updated to the latest version.
If this setup does not work on a new save. I will pull everything I recognize out of your load order for you to try to run instead. If that works out, build slowly from there. Post your load order after updating OOO, rerunning BOSS, and rebuilding the bashed patch.

» Fri Sep 03, 2010 6:19 pm

er...I don't use MMM....ahhh! :wacko: I don't understand your last post...purple and italicized?

» Fri Sep 03, 2010 1:31 pm

Wrye Bash color-codes plugins to convey information.

http://sites.google.com/site/oblivionpoinfo/prep/wrye-bash/bashmodstab

» Fri Sep 03, 2010 12:28 pm

god...you have a link for everything!
I suppose that saves the effort in typing it all out :goodjob:

anyways...well, by telling me to do that that left only the master files active...and...made things worse...
I don't even get a loading screen the second I hit "yes" to start a new game (which is what I think I read in that last post was for me to try and start a new game).

god this is so frustrating! but thank you so much for all your help thus far.

» Fri Sep 03, 2010 4:43 pm

The ESMs should not be the only files that do not match those color specifications. Most plugins do not meet the criteria for those distinctions....Oh,wow I am tired. I forgot that you are not using a bashed patch. In that case, you cannot take advantage of those features.

Add it now, better late that never...
# Copy the bashed patch Oblivion\Mopy\Extras\bashed patch, 0.esp
# Paste it in Oblivion\Data

» Fri Sep 03, 2010 7:30 pm

okay thats weird.....
I tried updating OOO and it tells me that it can't find the file to update. When I hop over to Wrye bash it told me that Oscuros_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm has been deleted (or something like that)

well...I put the bashed patch into the folder....feel free to take a break until tomorrow. Doctor, just remember, you are curing the black plague!
too bad there isn't a penicillin for oblivion to cure this disease...

» Fri Sep 03, 2010 5:43 am

OBMM is quirky about overriding plugins. Just deactivate and reactivate the OOO 1.34b5 OMOD and everything should be fine on that note. I have to pull back for the night now, thanks.

I hope all goes well, and good night!
- Tomlong75210