After around 200 hours of playing and scavenging the DC ruins, I've noticed that the self appointed police force (Brotherhood of Steel) are kind of hopeless. Their way of keeping order is plonking a few outposts here and their, which helps to a certain degree, but they tend to "plonk" them in dangerous areas. So these safe zones wouldn't really help anyone exept you. Sure they've kept the super mutants at bay, but they keep to themselves. I find it funny how they brag about helping the wastes and how Lyons put the people of the wasteland as his top priority.

Meanwhile the Outcasts, the so called "traitors" actually have patrols out and help wastelanders (not on purpose, but they don't kill them either) The Outcasts may place tech infront of waster, but they seem to do more good than BoS. My points is, why do the wastelanders seem to favour the BoS and detest the Outcasts? (Apart from the way they talk to wasters)

I totally agree the BoS are trying to save the wastelanders even tho there never hardly come out the there Castle to smell the fresh air, I know the Outcasts dont mean to help but they do with constant patrols killing anything that is aggressive, and they spread out all over the place unlike BoS the so called saviors of the Wastes. Ive always liked the Outcasts over the BoS and always will.

And the BoS saying they have not enough man power is rubbish the Outcasts have less and they are able to do a decent amount of patrols.

Who knows? I think Bethesda actually screwed up the BoS pretty bad. In the originals, the BoS were exactly like the Outcasts: gathering technology to allow civilization as a whole to evolve.

The Outcasts don't help anyone but themselves. They have no interest in helping the Wasteland. NONE. If you happen to be standing nearby when they kill a Giant Radscorpion and that saves your life that is just your good luck. When you talk to them afterward they will still tell you to go bang rocks together. You mean nothing to them. I tend to kill them a lot.


The BOS has really bad management, which is why the Outcasts left in the first place, but at least, for the most part, they aren't such jerks. Lyons seems to have the best interests of the Wasteland at heart he is just pathetically ineffective.

every time i see a bos in the wasteland and thier fighting 9 times out of 10 they die but whenever i see the outcasts one of them has a galatic gun and just kills everything

Well that's why the Outcasts are outcasts, because they're trying to stay true to the BoS original goals.

I agree with some of what Beancan is saying. While I don't think the Outcasts deserve respect for helping out in the wasteland, since the help is incidental, I do question how useful the BoS has been. There are no BoS soldiers guarding Rivet City or Megaton, they don't trade with outsiders, and despite their talk they aren't all that willing to help people out. Heck, Lyons only went after .

While the Eastern BoS may have changed their priorities, and they are willing to more actively fight the Super Mutants, they haven't changed all that much.

Outcast don't really do patrols. They are probably just scavanging techs. They call wastelanders "wildlife", and probably won't lift a finger to help a pitiful village under attack before their very eyes.
I am saving all the Outcasts in Fort Independence until the xp cap is raised.

The BoS ain't any better. Just that Lyon have some heart for the people. The rest of the elders do not care either. Remember the story of Ashur in the Pitt?

Well i like the outcasts anyway even when they say "Why don't you go and hump a tree or something." cause their always on patrol so they help out alot.

These are similar observations I have made. I mean if Lyon's couldn't police the D.C ruins in the beginning with full force, what makes him think he'd have the slightest chance after losing most of it to mutants and mutiny? I think this is the whole point that letting your emotions get involved and essentially going native, isn't always a good thing, no matter if it's for the good of the people or not. Lost Hills seemed to do more good for the core region just looking out for themselves than Lyons has evidently done for D.C. And the Midwestern BoS went even further than that. I think the disdain the Outcasts have for civs is the fact that they are the catalyst of Lyons weakness. They're angry at Lyons, but they can't take it out on him, so they turn on the wastelanders. West Coast BoS wouldn't normally be that brazen.

Actually, the BoS gathering tech had/has nothing to do with helping the wasteland as a whole, they gathered it to make themselves stronger, and 'keep it from falling into the wrong hands'. Funny thing is, anyone but the BoS is considered the wrong hands to them.

In FO1 and 2, the PC only got involved with the BoS because the BoS thought (and rightfully so) the PC could accomplish tasks they would have to send a whole squad or even platoon out to do. To the BoS, the Vault Dweller and The Chosen One were nothing but tools, very useful tools, but tools to get the job done, none the less. Just think about in FO1 when you had to go to the Glow just to get access to the BoS base. They send you because they just want to get rid of you, the place was a radiation death trap. When you come back, they're true to thier word, but they seem more surprised that you survived than anything else.

Not to make themselves stronger as a necessity, they were further ahead than anyone from the start just having their T-51b's (the Enclave and their progression was unknown to the BoS). Though the second part's right, they believe themselves to have full responsibility for any unsalvaged tech. Arguably it is in the right hands, whether that is considered counter-productive, or selfish, is just the envy of an outsider. As long as the BoS don't abuse their potential and push others around, they seem to be in the right frame of mind.

The BoS wouldn't have even sent their own squads out to West Tek, the dead BoS you see at the Glow are deserters. It's likely they would have returned if they were successful, and then all would be forgiven considering their findings. But they all died.