[Miguel]

QUOTE (The Word Merchant @ Apr 9 2008, 10:42 AM)
Sithis is not necessarily Padomay. Once Anu and Padomay saw each other (nevermind the fact that they are supposed to be forces instead of beings, just play along), each gave birth its respective "soul". Anu gave birth to its soul called "Auriel". Padomay gave birth to its soul, "Sithis".
I thought the soul was called Anu-El. WTF? I'm confusticated now. I always get Auriel and Anu-El mixed up.

Some sources do place a step between Anu and Auriel called "Anuiel". This would be another instance of conflicting sources. Since the parameters of this thread asks that we avoid a whole lot of links, I will simply state that Vehk's Teachings leaves out Anuiel, instead going straight to Auriel. :shrug:

So.....how does this relate to a Dai-katana?

There are many different ways that this could tie in, especially considering that the dai-katana is Akavir (and most likely specifically of Tsaesci origin).

___TWM

[Khamaji Taylor]

There are many different ways that this could tie in, especially considering that the dai-katana is Akavir (and most likely specifically of Tsaesci origin).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daikatana_(sword)

[James Potter]

Yeah but Neo wasn't really the One. As in a sense of godhood or anything. Just someone given "powers" by the program. *shrugs* Oh yeah and The Matrix is based off of an old comic. *pokes*

That's why I said "like". I should've said "works like". That would be better. I was using the simile to liken Arena Mundus to the Matrix (the program, not the film). Like I said, it's very similar to the Matrix (the film) in that CHIM comes with the realization that there is no spoon. After all, neo wasn't the only one who knew about the spoon, or lack thereof. Neo's realization that he was in a computer program is the important thing about what I said, not the power that he gains from it. Although CHIM also mirrors enlightenment in that you also realize there is no self. (similar in that enlightenment is realization of the insignificance of self, CHIM is realization of the illusion of self). It just really reminds me of the Matrix. Sorry if I over-simplified it, but that's kinda' what the OP asked for.

As for the godhood thing, the term "god" is relative in TES. Anyone who understands I AM ARE ALL WE knows that. If the only thing that truly exists is "the godhead" and everyone and everything is a figment of its fractured imagination, then is it truly a god? How do we measure what makes a god without a basis for comparison? If nothing else exists, then it's not a god. It just is. You, know?

[Yama Pi]

Arum.... Can anyone help define the "entaniomorph"? It's been thrown around sometimes around here.

[Genevieve]

Arum.... Can anyone help define the "entaniomorph"? It's been thrown around sometimes around here.

The enantiomorph is a situation where one entity is simultaneously represented by different and distinct avatars, usually limited to two or three in the TES mythos.

Hjalti Earlybeard/Tiber Septim + Zurin Arctus (and + King Wulfharth sometimes) = Talos

This approach has even been taken when stating that Akatosh and Lorkhan are the same entity. (See http://www.imperial-library.info/obscure_text/sporedream.shtml)

Just imagine one coin with a different consciousness/personality for each side. While the two sides are carrying on different lives, the coin as a whole is in a state of "amnesia". When the coin as a whole remembers that it is just one coin, then the two sides stop acting independent and act as one, which is the end of a kalpa/the eating of the world done by Alduin.

Hope this helps.


___The Word Merchant of Julianos

EDIT: I had a hard time understanding the enantiomorph concept, going so far as to ask for an explanation in my http://www.gamesas.com/bgsforums/index.php?showtopic=646697&hl= thread.

[John Moore]

I think an easier way to define "enantiomorph" is to use the geometric definition. Observe:

Raise your hands in front of your face. Your right hand and your left hand are mirror images of each other. And they're completely different - no amount of folding or contorting or realigning them can get your right hand to line up perfectly with your left. They are said to be enantiomorphs of each other. Another way of putting it is to say that your hand is a chiral figure.

These two figures are also enantiomorphic (since they are reflections of each other, but they are not identical). Let's call them Anu (stasis) and Padomay (change):

Anu:
>--->--->--->--->--->--->--->--->--->
--->--->--->--->--->--->--->--->--->--->
Padomay:
--->--->--->--->--->--->--->--->--->--->
>--->--->--->--->--->--->--->--->--->

(Don't believe me? Stand on your head).

If we extend the pattern of "arrows" in the original figure (and the reflection) to infinite length, and reflect the original infinitely many times, stacking one on top of the other like so:

>--->--->--->--->--->--->--->--->--->--->--->--->--->--->--->--->--->--->--->--->--->--->--->--->--->--->--->--->--->---...ad infinitum
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The result of this infinite "reflection" (which is inevitably infinite, as Anu and Padomay are) is the summation of all possibility - all that can happen, or has happened. Close examination of the resulting figure shows that, both geometrically and philosophically, the figure is now an achiral figure with no true line of symmetry - it is impossible to tell where Anu ends and Padomay begins. Every event that has ever happened is merely one infinitesimal thread - one line of the pattern of reflection; a microcosm of the Great Conflict between two indistinguishable yet very different things. So really, nothing exists - all is indistinguishable, all is one.

I hope that helps.

[Lilit Ager]

can someone tell me who/what mystara ( i think thats how you spell it on OB after giving gold to beggers thay somtimes say "blessings of mystara upon ye") and anu :spotted owl:

[Jennifer May]

can someone tell me who/what mystara ( i think thats how you spell it on OB after giving gold to beggers thay somtimes say "blessings of mystara upon ye") and anu :spotted owl:

If I remember correctly Mystara is some kind of easter egg.. Being a D&D-ish god, if I'm not mistaken. However, in TES, she would probably be some kind of saint, or perhaps a deity from one of the "Thousand Cults of the Imperial City".

[Angela Woods]

It's a D&D campaign setting. I'm still baffled by it. To take it as an easter egg implies people would be amused that a somewhat obscure D&D setting was being used as a name for a deity.

[Tom]

It's a D&D campaign setting. I'm still baffled by it. To take it as an easter egg implies people would be amused that a somewhat obscure D&D setting was being used as a name for a deity.

Its the name of the now dead goddess of magic in the Forgotten Realms campaign setting (where NWN is set)
Alternatively we could all be on the wrong track and it might be a reference to http://www.laconia.org/Mystra1_intro.htm

[Noraima Vega]

Its the name of the now dead goddess of magic in the Forgotten Realms campaign setting (where NWN is set)
Alternatively we could all be on the wrong track and it might be a reference to http://www.laconia.org/Mystra1_intro.htm

Mystara is not the same thing Mystra. It would be even worse if they were earnestly making a reference to the goddess Mystra and accidentally misspelled it, considering how many think Oblivion was a bland imitation of traditional fantasy settings, like the Forgettable Realms. An out of context homage to the deity of pointy capped wizards like Elminster is not the sort of thing I'd really expect. At least not without tongue firmly planted in cheek. So still I wonder; just what the hell were they thinking?!

[Laura Hicks]

I read a strange thing called the Nu-Mantia.

It's consists of odd wording and syntax involving "transmissions" and "Sphinxmoth" do the Lorelords know what these things are?

[Rodney C]

I read a strange thing called the Nu-Mantia.

It's consists of odd wording and syntax involving "transmissions" and "Sphinxmoth" do the Lorelords know what these things are?

Dreamsleeve: Stolen from a neat word Ken made up for Battlespire. The dreamsleeve is a conduit for sending special transmissions. Used by weirdo magicians and Imperial clerks, mainly. Kinda like myspace...only to reach it one must have at least part of their brain constantly meditating, because one aspect of the conduit is that it is able to carry images of concepts not yet "real".

This:

By secret glyph: dreamsleeve transmission
Dreamsleeve: urgent, security protocols granted
Security protocols: Sphinxmoth ancestor wraithbone wards

With its security protocols, priorities and encoding should be interpreted as if it were some sort of advanced email.

This format is abandoned by letter #3, where Nu-hatta apologises for using a more traditional medium: Forgive the brash medium through which this comes to you, but read by its stamp that Ocato has given the smallest of consent.

[Sammi Jones]

The enantiomorph is a situation where one entity is simultaneously represented by different and distinct avatars, usually limited to two or three in the TES mythos.

Not quite.

An Entaniomorph is something that is made up of conflicting and opposing parts.

Like as was said before, your right and left hand together make up an entaniomorph. Your left and right brains also make one- yourself. The TES definition is slightly different the the RW definition, but not much. In the real world, each one of those parts is called an entaniomorph, while in TES the unit they make up is the entaniomorph.

11, both are different but no one can tell them apart, blah blah blah etc etc clich? clich?

[Breanna Van Dijk]

Not quite.

An Entaniomorph is something that is made up of conflicting and opposing parts.

Like as was said before, your right and left hand together make up an entaniomorph. Your left and right brains also make one- yourself. The TES definition is slightly different the the RW definition, but not much. In the real world, each one of those parts is called an entaniomorph, while in TES the unit they make up is the entaniomorph.

11, both are different but no one can tell them apart, blah blah blah etc etc clich? clich?

The Entaniomorph doesn't seem to be much different then the Christian concept of the Holy Trinity. Three very distinct entities (father, son, holy ghost) who together from one being (God).