Whatever. Get your round table and we'll tak again. :hubbahubba:

But seriously now, I've found the "arrogant, selfish," kind of BoS more "gray" and interesting(like the Midwest chapter and their supposed 'Death camps'). It's not about the "Fallout canon" anymore and no person is without a fault. One-dimensional do-gooders are boring as heck. But as I said, tis' be only my opinion. :fallout:

They are all doomed

Plain and Simple

The East Coast have a different fate

and the Midwest are the best option

Not turning this into a fo3 v fonv thread but same can be said about the ncr assaultiing cesar legion.Ncr had vertabirds and planes and could peform an air attack on the fort of mild downsyndrome legion and they knew they battle could happen at any point they could have wiped them out with minimal losses but they somehow got caught off guad then they decide 2 use airsupport wtf.

No the NCR had only one vertibird we know of and it didn't seem to be armed. Presumably any others they had are also not gunships. The Boomers had the only armed plane (which didn't start working until relatively late in the game) and weren't exactly under NCR orders.

Justified in-game

look around

1 vertabirdcould do the job and they had that artillery wich im sure would dent the fort and at the back of camp mcarran theres rusty planes am sure they made some of there planes that would be functional today .

What do you think we keep in the mess hall, those square diner ones from the eighty or so Dot's Diners along the east coast? Makes for a good gathering hall as well for meetings, amazing what you can find in empty bunkers. Now if you excuse me, i got to find some scribe to make a squire, and talk about getting swords as side arms.......White knights, I swear, next thing you will say is our power armor is not knightly enough......

(fair enough, but i do not care for an organization that justifies using "Death Camps" and if that is what the MWBoS is about in one of their endings, I would go with the other ending thank you, as any organization that would do such a thing as Death Camps DESERVES to be exterminated, canon or not, and i would sooner support the western BoS before that nightmare. Of course it is only my opinion as well. :fallout:)

http://images.wikia.com/fallout/images/8/87/Fo3_Liberty_Prime.png Look at its thighs, exposed electronics and steel, easily destroyed by mininukes, which vertibirds can drop, and if you look at the orbital strike that kills prime, the individual missiles are mini-nuke grade ordinance, i see no reason why they didnt just mini-nuke the hell out of him.

(good sweet lord, what next, your going to anolyze the ratio of the explosion needed that took him out?) :rolleyes:

Read my post again. The Vertibird didn't have any weapons. In fact no Vertibird we encounter in the West is armed.

Planes left unmaintained for 200 years are going to be easily salvageable? That assumes you even have some qualified pilots and the fuel to run them. They also appeared to be civilian planes so they'd be of minimal utility in a fight.

It's a perfectly valid observation, it's legs are spindly as [censored] in some places so just shoot them instead of hovering in front of it shooting it's massively armoured torso.

Nice response, i like how it contains no real substance, just insult.

Well Inbetween Fallout 2 and New Vegas there was apperantly a big war we didn't know about until we met the Brotherhood of Steel.

So, in the end the NCR won for some reason and began to try and route the resistance of Western BoS chapters. One of them was the Hidden Base Brotherhood, whom had been hiding there for a few months and or years after HELIOS one's capture.

You've got an isolated, xenophobic, technophilic group who wants nothing better to do than protect you by killing you and taking any technology you have for their own personal uses. They're intended to die off, as are the Eastern Brotherhood and their very much 'wez save you but you can't join us' motto.

In order to make them powerful is to either have them have a coup d'etat and allow the high Paladin to take control. Or just do everything with Mc-whatever, but be against the NCR along with an anti-House sentiment. House wants them dead, and for good reason. They're pratically the only faction that can disable his grand army of securitrons, thus killing his power.

*hands Mako the remote to active Johns suit ultramegajet injectors*

The BoS NCR war, was supposed to be part of the VB background IIRC.

"Stops his target practice to hold up the now empty Ultrajet injectors" Nice try. I had my Armor thoroughly checked out after the last time, however, i'm not going to let you get away this time......"Activate the switch, setting off the Thermite injectors in Andaius's guns" Lost some sleep setting that one up, anyway, and Mako, if you cause trouble again, we will plant something in your food that will make the laxative prank seem minor, and trust me, we found a LARGE shipment of it, and from what reports i heard, Fort Banister does not have many working bathrooms.

Anyway, we have gotten off topic, and we should get back on topic about McNamara's chapter, it is a fascinating subject. And i got to get back on target practice....... :gun:

McNamara's chapter is the only BoS one which will survive at this rate (mid western...?).
They accept recruits, unlike the others. This means that they can actually prosper, every loss is still significant but not crippling. Think about the numbers of the BoS in Vegas, six paladins are killed on patrols, six of them, that's a huge blow to their power. On the east coast, it would be bad yeah but not terrible, they have the means to salvage their brothers bodies and gear and still have the numbers to carry on.

They don't strictly follow the codex, actually showing an interest in other tech like the water purification. How best to win the people over? On the east coast they are the knights in shining armour the BoS has always desired to be, they do it well.

West coast, they're on the retreat from the NCR, they're constantly being harassed and many appear to be trapped in their bunkers (as House mentions NCR trying to infiltrate them regularly and failing). They refuse to budge off their codex, they will not accept external recruits and so on.

The west coast BoS, in my mind, is a dying beast, it's just a matter of time, dangerous as they are, before they are gone. The east coast is prospering though, what do they have to fight? A strong mutant threat which can't compete with their new power (they must have got a lot of stuff from Adams, even without it they're much stronger now) and now they know where they're coming from they can destroy it, either by caving it in, airstriking it with vertibirds or just waltzing up there and blasting the crap out of it. Raiders who are laughable in all honesty and then the general troubles of the wasteland, significantly reduced by their access to water, land, food (apparently...) and people. The Capital Wasteland should be getting pretty damn powerful.

(ok, serious mode, The Mojave Chapter with McNamara is a West Coast Chapter, they do not take recruits from the outside unless it is a very special reason , their losses is indeed grave and will be felt for a long time to come. The East Coast is a totally different subject, but i agree.)



(We will see what the future holds, will the last Maxson straighten them out? Will they die out? Will they make peace with the NCR? Who knows, I would personally, as they get a strong presence every other game. Again i will not talk about the East, they will be fine, so i will not worry about them.) :thumbsup:

While the Brotherhood Rarely accepts outsiders into its ranks, I still think their superior training and Tech will help them survive the longest. The Brotherhood takes pride that they're the purest form of human life on the planet. (Not mutated freaks like Ghouls.)

They've had ghouls in their ranks, especially in the midwest. You're talking like the Enclave instead of the Brotherhood of Steel. They're isolationist, not really so much as elitist.

While the brotherhood don't go to the same lengths as the Enclave in their dislike of ghouls and mutants, it is certainly still there. The midwest is really the only exception. Even the capital wasteland "white knights" shoot ghouls indescriminately.

What about the Enclave?

"looks up from reading some new reports at the mention of the Enclave, and shakes his head" Not sure, been lots of talk about their survivability, but i am not sure.

When Fallout 3 came out the only thing I heard was the Eastcost Brotherhood Of Steel are a joke,that they are a bunch of tree hugger's and weak, that the westcost Brotherhood would be 100 times better,NV comes out, first thing I do is look for the Brotherhood thinking maybe these people had a good point, 20 hours in I finally get meet the so called,"Real Brotherhood of the West. And what happens!?! NOTHING! All I heard was we cant go out we are to scared of the NCR and Legion, we don't want fight we don't got the numbers, we just want to stay in are hole where its safe. :violin: FINE!!!! I thought to myself, maybe if I help them out they will stop crying and do something hours later after doing all there missions what happens? Nothing! They are still to scared to do anything. :swear: Those old bastards from the Enclave with arthritides and bad hearts did more then the whole westcost brotherhood chapter. :rofl: O ya I really think that they were going to show lyons and his east cost chapter a thing or to. :rofl: By the way witch one do you think would win in a fight the ones hiding in their holes crying holding on to the codex for dear life or the ones that had to to fight their way cost to cost to get to the the Great CW. Where their numbers where half of what they started with because of their long journey and then got even smaller since the outcast broke away. But still said f%&* it we are going to help the CW people, even on their last legs where determent to fight the Super Mutant, Raiders,Talon Company,and one the best factions ever the Enclave and still come out of it even stronger then before.Stronger you say?? yes, stronger because they do something smart like recruit people like they did in the Pitt. And not just anybody they get kids for they could grow up with the the same values that have been with the brotherhood since the start.So if anything their number went up after all the fighting but not just that theirs now nobody in their way. So that means they can look for even more power armor and technology then the brotherhood of the west can ever look for.So please tell me who would win the ones forging their own path by fighting their way to the top or the ones hoping everybody dies off while they hide away in their holes. :rofl: I agree let the westcost brotherhood die off because there really is no need for them anymore. :wavey:

The Midwest BOS are the only worth living IMO

I never heard of them, what game did they come out on for I can look up more info on them?