Damn straight. No point in keeping the Brotherhood around if it's just going to be another generic defender of the wasteland faction open to everyone. You can "reform" the Brotherhood over their cold dead bodies.

If we ever get back to the West Coast, I'd like to see them openly executing traitors like Lyons (and maybe Veronica) while at the same time getting their butts kicked by NCR. That would be an appropriate way for them to stop existing as an organization.

All I can say to that is if they want to execute Lyons, good luck trying.

*pays off Paladin johns tech scribe, with some Enclave issue laser pistol**Activates area random dance virus, watches as johns whole bunker start to dance uncontrolably**Buys out the bunkers entire supply from his quarter master* also Shares the random dance code with all house supporter and Enclave staff.

In FO3 if you drop the FEV into the purifier it's going to kill the entire Brotherhood, so you do have a choice, actually. Not as much as earlier games perhaps, but a choice nonetheless. You also get to fight Autumn and his supporting troops at the end, so that's not entirely true either. Granted, not as epic as the Master or Horrigan, but it's still a fight.Both of the scenarios from FO1 and FO2 require embarrassingly poor security; while it's possible in the case of super mutants (although still highly unlikely, and you'd think he'd have decent guards), there's not a snowball's chance in hell you'd get into the main base of an organization as professional as the Enclave without at least getting challenged for name, rank, etc, and in a group that small they'd easily be able to call a false ID on the spot. You can't just walk onto a US Army base if you're wearing an American army uniform, for example. Furthermore, in a culture that's been isolated from the mainland for nearly 200 years, a foreigner is going to stick out like a sore thumb.The Brotherhood is in a much stronger position after defeating the Enclave because they have popular support thanks to the purifier and (most importantly) the Enclave tech. This really is huge; they can replace their outdated T-45d and projectile weaponry with the best armor there is and advanced energy weapons. They also got Vertibirds, which is perhaps the most important part; they can wipe the Super Mutants off of the map with Vertibirds. Finally, they have Adams Air Force Base, a safe and mutant-free military installation. So yeah, it's going to take them a while to get the situation fully under control, but thanks to the Enclave loot they're pretty set by the end of FO3BS. There's just no way mutants can compete with Vertibirds, let alone Prime when he gets rebuilt, and now that they know the muties are coming from Vault 87 they can just alpha strike it with whatever Vertibirds they captured and cut the mutants off at the source.

Except they can't use the Enclave armour on regular bases, as they are well know.The battles in Broken Steel are costly as well, losing Liberty Prim and half dozen Paladin at the Array, lost another dozen to get the Lone Wanderer into Adam Airforce Base; then they may lost Knights and Paladins while transporting the water across DC.The Brotherhoood doesn't won much support either, the Riven City are quite passive and only help in case "the power armour dude get mad".If anything, Lyon's chapter isn't in a position stronger than 1st chapter at all.

If we ever get back to the West Coast, I'd like to see them openly executing traitors like Lyons (and maybe Veronica) while at the same time getting their butts kicked by NCR. That would be an appropriate way for them to stop existing as an organization.

I didn't mean that they go after him, but that they would execute people acting like Lyons.

Except they can't use the Enclave armour on regular bases, as they are well know.

If anything, Lyon's chapter isn't in a position stronger than 1st chapter at all.

I don't know that they'd execute them officially, but exile would certainly be an absolute minimum and certain elements would likely take matters into their own hands.

The Mojave Brotherhood is sacrificing itself for the Codex; they're fighting an unwinnable war against a superior enemy because of it. Depending on the canon ending, they may or may not be wiped out for their dedication.

I liked the Brotherhood in Fallout 3, but they were really arrogant in New Vegas.

I liked the Brotherhood in Fallout 3, but they were really arrogant in New Vegas.

Well they're dumb, but not that dumb. Going out in a blaze of glory would be silly if you could survive. The NCR would cream them seven ways sideways if the BoS launched an all out attack. If they were sneaky clever then they could probably take one of the areas during the battle at hoover dam (indeed in one ending they do) but it's not like they could ever hold it. They'd want to take on House too much to refrain, he'd destroy them, same with Yes Man. Legion does what Legion does and shafts them. NCR, while weak, is still more than powerful enough to take down whatever remains of the BoS.
If you want BoS play FO3, they're actually nice there as opposed to the tech grabbing cruds they originally were (and are again)

Heh, you do know that the Brotherhood in NV accurately represents what the Brotherhood really is? FO3 is the one that deviated, making them humanitarian hippies, when they are supposed to be extremely loyal upholders of the Codex.

The Lyons Brotherhood is an accurate representation of what might happen to a group of soldiers operating so far away from headquarters, with little to no contact, under a leader who disagrees with certain elements of his orders. Yes, they're not the old BoS, but it's a sensible and interesting evolution of the organization.

I wouldn't go so far as to call them hippies, though. Humanitarians? Sure. But hippies aren't exactly noted for their widespread use of high-powered weaponry and strict military culture.

I liked the Brotherhood in Fallout 3, but they were really arrogant in New Vegas.

Ok, we get it, you hate us, and want us to go away and want despots, raiders, and other things that are terrible roaming the wastes unchecked, but you know what, not likely, so svck it up and give us your high end tech........just kidding. :thumbsup:

What? I'm actually a fan of the Brotherhood. I'd like to see them go out in style and true to their ways, rather than seeing them reduced to yet another white knight faction.

True. They should also get a round table and start searching for the Holy Hand Grenade. :violin:

The Lyons Brotherhood is an accurate representation of what might happen to a group of soldiers operating so far away from headquarters, with little to no contact, under a leader who disagrees with certain elements of his orders. Yes, they're not the old BoS, but it's a sensible and interesting evolution of the organization.

I wouldn't go so far as to call them hippies, though. Humanitarians? Sure. But hippies aren't exactly noted for their widespread use of high-powered weaponry and strict military culture.