The brotherhood of Steel in FNV

Post » Mon Mar 29, 2010 8:20 pm

Their resources are certainly going to be stretched thin for quite some time, agreed, but I don't see them facing any serious threats.

With their defeat of the Enclave and reactivation of the Purifier, recruiting will be through the roof as glory-seeking individuals join up, while the large stockpiles of Enclave tech they've seized will enable them to move effectively against the raiders and mutants of the Capital Wasteland.

Now that they have Vertibirds and APA MkII, I can't see the muties or raiders remaining as a real threat for much long; the raiders are liable to simply move on as the Brotherhood exerts its power (you can't beat a vertibird and most raiders don't want to pick fights they can't win) while the mutants can be crippled simply by sealing off Vault 87 with a vertibird strike.

It'll be touch and go for a bit, sure, but the advantages of APA MkII, Enclave energy weapons, a steady recruitment base and most of all Vertibirds cannot be understated. They have lethally effective air support that none of their enemies in the Wasteland have any counter for.

I'd say that by the events of New Vegas the CW as we saw it is likely unified under the leadership of the BoS and Rivet City; whether they will be a state subordinate to the BoS or equal partners with them is hard to tell, though.
Mutants and raiders might still be around, but they'll have been driven to the fringe.



Why none of this high-tech stuff did the Enclave any good.[censored] Bethesda...
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Post » Tue Mar 30, 2010 2:42 am

Why none of this high-tech stuff did the Enclave any good.[censored] Bethesda...



Indeed, I love to see gamesas give the same treatment to the BoS in FO4. :P
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Post » Mon Mar 29, 2010 9:41 pm

Indeed, I love to see gamesas give the same treatment to the BoS in FO4. :P


I'd be happier (well maybe) if the Bethesda just gave something old good treatment.
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Post » Mon Mar 29, 2010 3:13 pm

I'd be happier (well maybe) if the Bethesda just gave something old good treatment.

Indeed. :sage head nod:
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Post » Tue Mar 30, 2010 1:30 am

Why none of this high-tech stuff did the Enclave any good.[censored] Bethesda...


That's not a valid comparison; the Enclave wasn't actively warring with the BoS until the purifier assault, at which point Prime was able to negate virtually every Enclave tactical advantage (notably the vertibirds). Even without Prime, the BoS is very close to the Enclave in terms of training and equipment, and after his destruction they had the Tesla Cannon to answer Vertibirds with.

Mutants and raiders don't have anywhere near the same parity with the BoS that the BoS had with the Enclave, and they especially don't have a Vertibird counter.
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Post » Mon Mar 29, 2010 12:27 pm

That's not a valid comparison; the Enclave wasn't actively warring with the BoS until the purifier assault, at which point Prime was able to negate virtually every Enclave tactical advantage (notably the vertibirds). Even without Prime, the BoS is very close to the Enclave in terms of training and equipment, and after his destruction they had the Tesla Cannon to answer Vertibirds with.

Mutants and raiders don't have anywhere near the same parity with the BoS that the BoS had with the Enclave, and they especially don't have a Vertibird counter.


(exactly)
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Post » Tue Mar 30, 2010 3:38 am

That's not a valid comparison; the Enclave wasn't actively warring with the BoS until the purifier assault, at which point Prime was able to negate virtually every Enclave tactical advantage (notably the vertibirds). Even without Prime, the BoS is very close to the Enclave in terms of training and equipment, and after his destruction they had the Tesla Cannon to answer Vertibirds with.

Mutants and raiders don't have anywhere near the same parity with the BoS that the BoS had with the Enclave, and they especially don't have a Vertibird counter.


Funny that they had barricades and artilery set-up along the BoS's route from the Pentagon to the Purifier, and had tonnes of Vertibirds already in the air. They were fully geared for any assualt well beforehand.
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Post » Mon Mar 29, 2010 11:54 pm

(it is as if you don't give them a chance in heck, and you want them to fail. Seriously, i know they may be white knights or "Hippies", but don't ruin it for the rest of us, we like the openness and chances the CW BoS has, and it is a good thing for the Fallout universe.


I'm not some old fan, I played Fallout 3 when I was 14 and I see some plausability that the BoS might realise what massive pricks they are and help people. I also bought the originals before hand because I wanted to know the history and they looked good.

Seriously, gamesas did not ruin everything, I mean come on, if Fallout 3 was so bad, why is it that PC Gamer listed it in the top 100 games of all time at #27 to name one of the awards it has received over the years for how good the game has been, i mean seriously if all the top rankings it got, people still say is all bought and fake and it is a lousy game regardless of what awards it got.


I do not care about awards, or for that matter turn-based combat or isometric views, I can play both isometric and FPS/RPG just fine. I think what it did to the canon of the games was down-right laughable, the Enclave had artilery already set-up, they could have shelled the massive crane holding up the one entrance but instead they shell the bridge they had people on; you can't just bat away any arguement that the damn game itself is horrifically biased (yet still offering you chanced to help the villians for no reward) by calling people an old, un-changing fan, escpecially since it doesn't work in this case because I am not.

If you weren't talking to me I apologise.
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Post » Mon Mar 29, 2010 4:27 pm

the Enclave had artilery already set-up, they could have shelled the massive crane holding up the one entrance but instead they shell the bridge they had people on


Yup. As much as I like Fallout 3 for its own merits, I wish I could just ignore the ending sequence. It made absolutely no sense. The East Coast Brotherhood crapped themselves when the Enclave first showed up (and rightly so) and talked about their inferiority in weapons and armor (and rightly so) but then in the end it was just "oh hey...yeah we managed to get that top-secret robot thingy working so go use it to completely annihilate that group that we feared so much!" Liberty Prime was a freaking joke (I love his catchphrases though) and the Enclave should have mopped the floor with the East Coast based on what I saw in the game. Sarah Lyons and her "pride" didn't do a dang thing, it was one freaking "script shields at 150%" robot that did everything.

Not only that but it turns out that you can't even support the Enclave really because their virus didn't actually work and you are absolutely forced to "mop them up" in Broken Steel. I ORBITAL STIKE TARGETED THE CITADEL! NOT ADAMS AFB!

I love Fallout 3 for its atmosphere and exploration (i mean really love). But lets face it, the storyline had a lot to be desired and the ending was terrible.
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Post » Tue Mar 30, 2010 2:49 am

Funny that they had barricades and artilery set-up along the BoS's route from the Pentagon to the Purifier, and had tonnes of Vertibirds already in the air. They were fully geared for any assualt well beforehand.


Yup; they were geared for an assault, but they weren't attacking the BoS outright. Big difference.

And they certainly weren't geared for an assault by Prime.

Regarding the "shelling the crane" comments; Do you really think a crane built to lift Liberty Prime out of the Citadel is going to roll over and die to artillery fire of that caliber? It'd certainly be able to resist it long enough to get Prime on the outside, and in any case that still only gives the Enclave about 20 seconds to realize what's happening and stop it; an impossibly short time.

I agree that the ending could have been handled much better from a gameplay standpoint (it should have been the whole BoS following Prime in and not just six people) but it's not completely implausible either.
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Post » Mon Mar 29, 2010 2:52 pm

Yup; they were geared for an assault, but they weren't attacking the BoS outright. Big difference.

And they certainly weren't geared for an assault by Prime.

Regarding the "shelling the crane" comments; Do you really think a crane built to lift Liberty Prime out of the Citadel is going to roll over and die to artillery fire of that caliber? It'd certainly be able to resist it long enough to get Prime on the outside, and in any case that still only gives the Enclave about 20 seconds to realize what's happening and stop it; an impossibly short time.

I agree that the ending could have been handled much better from a gameplay standpoint (it should have been the whole BoS following Prime in and not just six people) but it's not completely implausible either.

Yes it is, why didnt they use the orbital strike platform earlier, why not attack the weak points on Primes thighs, why didnt they blow up the bridge when Prime was on it, why didnt they collapse a building on him, why didnt they do all the things they could have to stop him? Bad Writing.
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Post » Mon Mar 29, 2010 3:32 pm

I agree that the ending could have been handled much better from a gameplay standpoint (it should have been the whole BoS following Prime in and not just six people) but it's not completely implausible either.


I like how they say to "use the robot as support".

:blink:

Support?
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Post » Mon Mar 29, 2010 10:01 pm

Who was shooting the artillery anyways

The Rocks???
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Post » Mon Mar 29, 2010 7:12 pm

Who was shooting the artillery anyways

The Rocks???


The Outcasts.




DUN DUN DAAAAA!
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Post » Mon Mar 29, 2010 5:02 pm

Yes it is, why didnt they use the orbital strike platform earlier, why not attack the weak points on Primes thighs, why didnt they blow up the bridge when Prime was on it, why didnt they collapse a building on him, why didnt they do all the things they could have to stop him? Bad Writing.


I seriously doubt blowing up the bridge would have stopped Prime. :P

The orbital strike platform was an unfortunate mechanic, though; it would have been far better to simply have Prime break down and need repairs, thus forcing the player to infiltrate the Base Crawler and detonate its reactor. Far more sensible.
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Post » Mon Mar 29, 2010 5:02 pm

All the enclave would have done is tell Prime that the BoS are US army deserters and have him kill them all. :P
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Post » Tue Mar 30, 2010 5:07 am

Gotta say, that would be a sight to see. :D
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Post » Mon Mar 29, 2010 9:31 pm

All the enclave would have done is tell Prime that the BoS are US army deserters and have him kill them all. :P


Man that would have been awesome

Brotherhood: Yeah Prime kick their butts!

Prime: COMMUNISM IS THE VERY DEFINITION OF FAILURE!!

Enclave: Liberty Prime, override code Alpha 0-1264378. Change target parameters.

Prime:*Stops in his tracks and in a chearful voice says* Command accepted. Detecting new targets.*turns around* DESERTERS DETECTED ON AMERICAN SOIL! LETHAL FORCE ENGAGED!!

Brotherhood: :eek:
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Post » Mon Mar 29, 2010 8:46 pm

:D

I pretty much picture the Enclave reaction to that as being http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii139/master_chief_117/animation/stormtrooper_hump.gif, except the guy's in APA MK II.
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Post » Tue Mar 30, 2010 4:28 am

I pretty much picture the Enclave reaction to that as being http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii139/master_chief_117/animation/stormtrooper_hump.gif, except the guy's in APA MK II.


:rofl:

Yes.
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Post » Mon Mar 29, 2010 9:08 pm

(seriously, that is so sick and wrong, it is disgusting, yet for some reason a part of me likes it too.)
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Post » Mon Mar 29, 2010 5:02 pm

Yes it is, why didnt they use the orbital strike platform earlier, why not attack the weak points on Primes thighs, why didnt they blow up the bridge when Prime was on it, why didnt they collapse a building on him, why didnt they do all the things they could have to stop him? Bad Writing.

Well, that I can actually defend, perhaps during the time the Main Quest (Before the start of BS) the orbital satellite was not in position, as I recall, this is why you couldn't fire on Project Purity, Rivet City, and Megaton. Not to mention the orbital platform seems to have limited ammo (since they cannot go into space and restock it)
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Post » Tue Mar 30, 2010 2:04 am

Yes it is, why didnt they use the orbital strike platform earlier, why not attack the weak points on Primes thighs, why didnt they blow up the bridge when Prime was on it, why didnt they collapse a building on him, why didnt they do all the things they could have to stop him? Bad Writing.

Its a forty foot war-robot, it doesn't have a weak point.

As Martyr points out the weapon only has two shots, one is used on Prime the other by the Lone Wanderer. They can't resupply the satellite. The Enclave also had no warning about Prime being operational until it came over the wall and attacked. Any ground based artillery was anti-personal as until that point the Brotherhood had no heavy armor capabilities (aside from power armor)

Your also falsely assuming the weapon was online and functional at the time.. Prime was destroyed by the orbital weapon outside the The Satellite relay station. He detected the uplink and warned of the attack seconds before it happened. The relay station was the original control center for the orbital weapon before control was transferred to the mobile base platform. Is it so hard to believe that the Enclave might actually have to work to get a 200 year old space based weapon working again? You have no evidence to even support the Enclave knew it was still in orbit until shortly before it destroyed Liberty Prime.
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Post » Mon Mar 29, 2010 4:27 pm

The BoS are in decline and in a bad way for most part of NV and things do need to change for them, but depending on your options and
actions, there is a way
Spoiler
for them to start getting stronger, via starting to make allies with the NCR, as I had them join in the defence
of the President at Hoover Dam
.

With this being the case, it maybe a sign that in the next Fallout this maybe the way it will go with the BoS, that they just become another
chapter in the NCR like the Rangers. I dont see the NCR allowing another Armed force to share equal status or to move about with in there
borders freely, seeing how paranoid the NCR is.. That means the BoS will either have to join the NCR or relocate way beyond the NCR borders
is they are going to survive.
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