Yeah you're right, but that protection doesn't extend beyond their walls. So maybe the BoS could offer them that protection of movement. Also there's the State's access so better medical supplies and facilities, and also general education (such as farming, as you said).

Maybe, as you said, the Talons and the Raiders directly threaten those wastelander settlements, forcing them to seek the State to protect them from these greater threats.

This is starting to sound pretty good.

Let's say by Fallout 5 they introduce to growth of this faction that's what the story can be based off. If their survival is canon then by the next game featuring this faction they can be at war with the Outcasts for those who want a BoS figure back by that time.

As a Washington DC native I'd be super pumped for a Capital Nation. Just hope, if it does happen, they do it right and in true FO fashion.

This sounds good along with most of the other posts here

The problem with the Outcasts is that they have only a select amount of people. The CWBoS on the other hand accept recruits. The Outcasts have to scraqe by, and have to wait awhile if they have kids. Also the Brotherhood has better tech and weaponry.

BTW one topic that wasn't mentioned was the enclave. Personally I think they should be allowed to join the State, the enclave's knowledge shouldn't go to waste. All that research could be used to help the Capitol.

As I said earlier the Outcasts would get an influx of new members from Lyons' Brotherhood soliders who leave when they make a switch to a nation.

Well, why? Lyon's men stayed because they believed in his new mission: The protection of the Capital Wastelanders. If they wanted to leave they would've done so a long time ago with the Outcasts. They can still be the BoS if they train children from birth and not accept recruits from the regular Capital army. They would be the elite shock troops of the army. Also why not reunite the Outcasts and the BoS? The super mutants are screwed, raiders are target practice, slavers are probably wiped out by the LW, and talon company is definitely screwed when Prime is up and running. Even if Prime takes a long time, theres a very easy solution to this problem......

THE FATMAN/MIRV

why would they leav? they've staye loyal to Loyns from day 1 and to the finish of the game and i agree the enclave knowledge shouldn't go to waste and hopefully they let enclave soldiers even join and maby enclave be da Black ops of da brotherhood and they could even teach the brotherhood on how to run a government (sense they ARE THE GOVERMENT of the greatest country) and it seems super powers accrost post-apocalyptic america are going to meet (NCR,LEGION,EAST COST BROTHERHOOD,MID WEST BROTHERHOOD,MID WEST BROTHERHOOD,and possible the south?, and maby chicago enclave?, Ashers slavers,)

That reminds me, does the US have a continental railway? Maybe the Capital can make an alliance with the NCR. Probably not though, the bombs must've caved them in. Also there's the issue of powering it up. Most things in the fallout universe run on nuclear power, maybe the train can run on solar power from Helios One?

The Outcasts and the State really wouldn't see eye-to-eye. Though I can see Lyons accepting them if they wanted to join, I really doubt the Outcasts would join who they believe to be traitors to the true BoS cause. That's why I see the Outcasts leaving the CW, either being forced out by the State or by their own accord, and regrouping elsewhere. Perhaps the Commonwealth. Surely the Outcasts would know of the Commonwealth and the rumors of the mysterious scientific Institute, they would surely go there and seek new pre-war tech to continue their primary mission.

Years and years pass, the Capital State is created and organized, probably have fought countless raiders and Talons in the meantime. This would also have given the Outcasts the time to consolidate their new standing in the North. After enough time both would surely meet again and would clash.

I really don't see the Eastern Enclave Remnants joining up with the new State, seeing as though they just finished fighting a war against each other. Surely the BoS would scavenge old Enclave tech and stuff now that they are no more (as an organized faction in the region at least). The remnants will probably do as those out west did after being defeated by the NCR: put down their plasma rifles for good and recede into the background of the Capital Wasteland, maybe join the new State when it's up and running but they'd definitely keep their Enclave past a secret.



Uhh.. the Trans-Continental railway.
I'm sure most of it is destroyed, seeing as though it runs through many major cities which most likely got hit by tons of nukes. If the Capital State and the NCR ever met it would be a LONG time from the FO present day.

Huh.....airplanes are out of thequestion as are boats. Maybe radio? 3Dog has a satellite from a space lander thingy. The brodcast cant just be in the DC area, the broadcast range must've expanded beyond that. Also if the BoS in DC were able to contact the elders back west there has to be some way of long range communication.

You're probably right about the railroad though, those bombs would've destroyed the tracks or caved in the subways.

As for the Outcasts, well....we already know the people from the Commonwealth are total snobs. Look at that one [censored] of a scientist from The Replicated Man. They probably think of the brotherhood as barbarians.

The Enclave still has some important data and such, so it would be a good idea to at least capture some of the scientists and force them to work for the capital.

I'm sure if the Outcasts did happen upon the Institute there would be a fight. The Outcasts would do anything for that tech while I doubt the scientists there would refuse to give it up. Obviously the Outcasts would have to win, acquire the tech and control the Institute, and consolidate their power from there, if this scenario would play out as I said.


Yeah no doubt the Enclave has important data and tech, so I'd expect the Capital, the Outcasts, and anyone else around to attempt to salvage whatever they can from them. I don't see the State forcibly capturing scientists for forced labor and research (maybe the Talons or the Outcasts may), it goes against the whole "good guy" stuff Lyons and his followers stand for. Now whether those scientists request to join them, to put their lot in with them as sort of Fallout-Wehrner Von Brauns, Lyons and his crew may accept them, to throw away past differences for the hope of future technology.

I wouldn't mind them as long as they are a lot greyer, morality wise. None of this white knight BS.

I'm sorry but are we returning to the early 90s? What's wrong with white knighting?

Yes I geuss it'd make sense for the Outcasts to move up to the commonwealth and gain power and maybe numbers. That could be what our commenwealth game will be about.

(Ok, i have seen enough before i let my bad side out on this one. No matter how you face it people, Lyons and the CWBoS are White Knights, and they will continue to be white knights, that is the way Lyons trained them. If it is 10, 20, 50 years down the road, they will be white knights, Lyons trained his daughter with the same sense of morality as him. If they do form a state, first they will work on the infrastructure, working on the internal problems, such as Super mutants, Raiders, Slavers, and the more dangerous creatures. While that is going on, if the Outcasts are still there, they will be negotiated with, otherwise i see problems with them, but due to the victories the Brotherhood have won with the help of the LW Knight, that might spook some of the Outcasts, thinking if one knight could do all of that, what else could this knight do, especially to them? Besides, by the time most of the Capital Wasteland is pacified, Aurthur Maxson will be of age, and be able to travel west, and start reforming the western chapters into what he was taught while he was out east, that will help the surviving chapters out in their efforts to continue, but i degrees. Once Infrastructure is complete, then they would seek expansion, like to the Pitt maybe or elsewhere, but slowly, so as not to overburden infrastructure, and supply lines.

In closing, if you want someone to act all fascist in the Capital Wasteland, it's not going to be Lyons or his daughter, they are too white knight to be that way, So unless Casdin comes back and does a Coup, i do not see it happening, and even then, i do not see Casdin being that much of a Tyrant.)

Can we stop calling them "white knights'? I know they're the good guys but the White Knights name sounds like the KKK. Are you saying that the Brotherhood should exterminate all the black people in the wastes? Including 3dog, Sherrif sims,and members of the BoS itself??????

Its completely unrealistic. Nobody is 100% good.

No i think the concept is they will work towards the survival of the indigenous population rather than saying were the government we have a president were in charge, they risked their live to get a project working that would provide fresh water to the locals and they did. Are they what some people would define as good, no they arent but then again who really is, to achieve alot of goals sometimes you need to break some eggs, alot of that is defined by the outcome and also its a new world and were judging alot of this on our way of life i think with the exception of them killing the intelligent ghouls in fo3 they bos do pretty well.

No one suggested they 'act all facist,' quite the opposite I'm pretty sure. Looks like you agreed with the majority of posts in this thread.

Nobody's perfect sure, but many people do everything with good intentions at heart, and if in this universe 'white knighting' means giving water to locals and not committing genocide then many settlements consist of white knights.

I have not seen anyone saying Lyons or anyone after Lyons will be or should be a Tyrant.

I myself am not against the idea of the CWBoS forming a government, IE "The Capital." I have just been posting questions and factors that could effect any future expantion/growth of this "Capital." Such as the CWBoS are "White Knights" and they will not become Tyrants.

So what would happen if they come across another peaceful faction but that faction does not want to help or join the "Capital." As you put it they would not try to annex it or take it by force. This would slow their growth. Such as Rivet City and Megaton.

What would happen if the Outcast can't be negotiated with but are actively working against the "Capitals" goals?

What about Ashure? What if he does end up creating a large army?

What happens if the project p breaks?

They should remain white knights mostly just to have that type of faction in the series.

Well White Knights can attack other nations, that's when they turn into Knight's Templars or well intentioned extremists.

(oh, well that what i get for reading before i get a good nutritious Breakfast and waking up! :facepalm:

Let's look at this carefully, as you and everyone posed good points and questions, like the joining or Annexing question. I could see such places as Rivet City joining or Megaton, if you look at the city structures of those two places being or having need of the resources of the Purifier as it is, especially Rivet City as it has no working Purifier that i know, and it is "Lending" Scientists to the Purifier as it is. Megaton's Purifier is on it's last legs as it is, and the added resources would be helpful. As for other locations, I think it depends on the location really as my idea of taking care of the Capital Wasteland first makes sense. Places like Big Town, Little Lamplight, Arefu, and Cantaberry Commons would join because of their need for clean water, protection, and trade. Tenpenny Tower will buy a [censored] load of what they need, but they will try to stick to their own affairs mostly because of Alastair Tenpanny (unless the ghouls take over), and The Republic of Dave, well, who really cares about those nuts, unless someone sane gets put in charge, then we will talk. However, If anyone of them do not join, i think some sort of deal should be worked out, caps for water and trade deal, and in exchange, a treaty will be worked out between said parties that would allow for a beneficial relationship. Once the situation in the capital wasteland is secure, then scouts should be sent to check outlying areas around the Capital wasteland, and slowly the boarders should extend, not rapidly like the NCR in all directions, but slowly in one or two directions at the most. In the possibility of an invading army, like Ashur(if he is still around), a very good sizable force should be maintained for just such an emergency to counter a force and maintain current infrastructure, especially if the possibility of an incursion or failure negotiation with Outcast or Western Brotherhood, or outright force being used in the event Arthur Maxson failed. Should the Capital's main Bargaining Chip fail, the Purifier, all attempts should be made to fix it, especially as their is a full team of scientists and maintenance there at all time anyway, if impossible, use of alternate means to repair it should be found, even if it means finding the LW if still alive, or living members of Project Purity.

If there is any more questions, please ask away, i will be watching, and looking.)