Ashur's army is too weak. Couple dozen raiders in combat armor and assault rifles vs a nuclear powered robot that throws nuclear bombs like footballs, several well trained soldiers in power armor with an arsenal of high powered weapons and Vertibirds?

What about vault 101? They already have a good source of water and a good leader (Amata?). Also Vault 112 could be used as an interrogation center/High security prison with Braun (Betty) as the warden. Some of the wasteland's more evil characters could be executed this way like Eulogy Jones, Jacobosco (Talon Company leader), Mr. Burke, and maybe Col.Autumn. Some of the vaults could maybe be cleaned and repaired.

Outcasts are really screwed if none of Lyon's men join them. Otherwise they just have to svck it up and rejoin the Brotherhood. The idea of them coming as an enemy though is a pretty decent idea though, where the outcast's are banished and then return later much more powerful than before.

As for the expansion of the capital, remember Vault City? They eventually had to let the NCR annex them and the NCR is leaning towards good. NCR has good intentions but they want continue to forcefully gain more and more territory. The Capital could put pressure on whoever wanted to join it.

I agree, Ashur could be one of the biggest threats in America in forty years but for now he's going to keep his head really low.

It'd be great for them to make Vaults into military bases or well protected towns or cities. If worst comes to worst and the Capital, as you all are calling it, gets invaded civilians could rush to the Vaults for safety.

I think the idea'd be awesome if in a future game there are about four or five Outcasts plotting the assassination of a General, and you can help them as a quest.

I think that'd be how Tenpenny Tower would turn out. They would never want to be equals of 'poor, uneducated scum' (as they might call them).

I have a fan-fic about the topic of this. It's called War Never Changes and it's marked as War in my signature. I think the way I had the government structered was pretty cool.

I'm sure that Megaton would be quick to join them and Rivet City would initially be against it but then change their minds soon afterwards. Oasis would be completely be against being annexed but Harold would be happy because the Capital could hire scientists to try and remove him from the tree. (He'd probably end up as a brain in a jar or a robot with multiple organs) Bigtown, Little Lamplight, Canterbury Commons, and Girdershade would be happy to join the Capital. I don't think that they'd except Underworld because they were attacked by Paladins before the possible formation of a country, hopefully they aren't exterminated. The Republic of Dave would not want to be part of the Capital but I think it wouldn't be too long before they were annexed.

If all goes according to plan they could be expanding north at a nice rate (not too slow but not as fast as the NCR) and have troops near New York in twenty-five to thirty years.

Maybe towns like Rivet City and Megaton would join but could remain sort of independent city areas.

I don't know about independent areas but they would be very cultured and somewhat self contained.

Like states in the U.S they are under jurisdiction of the U.S.A but have their own laws or governors.

Like the NCR, they have city states as well.

Exactly.

A lot of people clearly don't like what Lyons is doing....he and his men selflessly try to protect the people of the CW, solely because it's the right thing to do, and they scream "White Knight" and say they want more "shades of grey". Then the NCR comes along with those "shades of grey" and they scream "they're corrupt and don't care about the people of the Mojave, give us Caesar!". So I think they indeed would prefer Lyons to be a Tyrant, or at least a Machiavellian b*stard feigning concern about the people so he can manipulate them to his own ends.



I think Lyons is more likely to nudge Rivet City, Megaton, Arefu, and the Commons...along with Tenpenny Tower if they are willing...into forming some kind of unified government on thier own, with guidance from him and the LW, then throw the BoS's weight behind it. He could also decide that this Government's Secretary of War (or whatever title they use) is the legitimate successor of the US Secretary of War and chuck out the Codex entirely and return the BoS to it's roots, as the Army. The BoS would revert to civilian control as the national Army, Lyons would retire as Elder and would probably be easily elected President, and become the new nation's George Washington, setting by example the political norms of the new nation.



People that don't want to join would probably be left alone as long as they weren't doing things that were repellent, like slaving, cannibalism, or being actively hostile. Once Lyons is demonstrated as having being right all along, I wouldn't be surprised if at least some Outcasts petition for pardon and reinstatement, which Lyons would probably grant. With the Enclave and Mutants dealt with, Lyons would certainly launch an all-out war on the Raiders, Talon Company and Paradise Falls.



He already has one, but neither he or Lyons can afford to make war on each other...Pittsburgh is 250 miles from Washington. Once Lyons wipes Paradise Falls off the map, Ashur will have to look elsewhere for workers. By the time the Capital and the Pitt are large enough to fight, Sandra will probably have a cure for TDC and Ashur will have the luxury of using carrots rather than sticks to keep his factories running. Lyons could accept the existence of Ashur as a King so long as he isn't shanghaiing people to work for him. For Ashur's part he would probably be delighted to learn that Lyons was attempting a kindler, gentler version of what his is trying to do.



Sounds like the main Quest for a new Fallout.....finding another GECK.

let da enclave join cuz soldiers could become new black ops and scientists could bring new knowledge as a way of bargaining joining

Why on Earth would any remnants of the Enclave join the Brotherhood of Steel!?! They just destroyed their home of some two/three decades, killed almost everyone they ever knew including, pressumably, family, friends, everyone. They destroyed the cause that they had been working their whole life for, robbed them of their dream of rebuilding America proper and has essentially hunted them down ruthlessly to near extinction. Why do you like the Enclave again?

Once the Enclave is finished...which it is in the Capital Wasteland...there will be remnants who for the most part will be mostly interested in staying alive. Lyons has better things to do than track down each and every one like the NCR has been doing. Better to come up with a system where they can be rehabilitated and left alone so long as they behave. Moreno would never have gone along with it, but the others would probably have been happy to spend a year or two in a POW camp then get cut loose to make a new life for themselves without being on the run.

Yeah I don't think any Remnants would be focused on taking revenge and I doubt The Capital would hold a grudge against those trying to scraqe out a living.

cuz their cool and i wont to see them more than just enemies i wont to see them as.....as........as the next main faction...............or a faction like mojave brotherhood of steel .........................and arnt u pro enclave 2?

Deffinentally not to everything you said.

It'd be cool if Lyons decided to secretly make the remnants of the Enclave part of the Capital or the United Regions of the Capital. I think a few of the conditions would be:

1)They must say and only say that they are Wastelanders from a close region who heard about the Purifier and wanted benefits. (People like that would be showing up anyway)

2)They must hand over all advanced technology and help Lyons make even more advanced technology.

3)They must never tell their children that they were part of the Enclave.

4)They must not treat normal Wastelanders as inferior beings in any way at all.

I think these are quite reasonable conditions on the CWBoS' part.

Fanatically, as far as I am concerned the Enclave is dead and I personally, as a believer of the Fallout 2 Enclave and the genocide plan, would sooner see the Enclave die out entirely fighting the fight to restore the world than become a [censored] to the wastelanders just so that the survivors can continue to live, serving others.

I agree, that would be cool. Especially of we played as a Remnant.

It'd be awesome if there is a mission where you can help some guy who is paranoid and believe the government has some dark secrets and you pull out some files about this. Along with a list of names and you can choose whether to expose the Enclave Remnants or let them live their lives.

I could see that beeing a pretty awesome morally grey quest.

I wanted to revive this thread because I was interested by people's ideas.
If they were to become a country they'd have a major advantage over many other neighboring factions, Project Purity. They could help raise their economy by simply trading gallons upon gallons of purified water.

The Enclave are evil fascists! They would fight to the end.

They are foul. They deserve to die.

Their only virtue is that they have pure dna and are good genetic specimens. Sample some dna before they die.

The remanants would hang around till they were killed. They would never, ever ally with the BoS.

The best thing would for the BoS to kill every single one of them and take their technolgy and bases over before they killed them.

I dought that we have seen the last of them and their Raven Rock base was their only one, though.

They probabely have many secret bases all over the country, or even the world.

Maybe they have some evil people or forces behind them or in their pay and they would be exposed.

The post above this one, now that guy has the right idea. I just want to say that the bos outcasts r not a threat to anyone but themselves. They have no chance as a matter of fact Sarah Lyons probably talked daddy into letting her take the pride and giving them the slapper. She was always going on to daddy about how they stole stuff and they had to pay. There was like 25 outcasts and like 12 of them killed themselves after oa. They can t even get along with themselves how could they pose a threat to Lyons Bos??? They should scraqe the spray paint off thier pa and go back to the Lyons on thier knees.

I think some people at Bethesda read these forms and I think they are going to make the old guard happy in fo4 and it s going to be either south or NYC with another totally different bloody chapter of human history. They may have some signs somehow of Enclave and BOS for fo5 but I don t think they ll be in the game at all. Bethesda s going to teach all the nay sayers a lesson by first being all original in fo4, but not cream puffs cl but soilders of some kind. Then fo5 their going to blow the doors of by unvieling what Enclave has been doing in those remote sections of the world. They will come steamrolling back in fo5 with an east& west attack and you ll be a charecter on both coasts and the only reason Enclave will be defeated is because your guys are unstoppable, but fo5 will be a really long bloody chapter in human history . Then even the old guard will love Bethesda and then they ll outbid everyone again for the series for like 10 years and they ll start punching out fo like every year. IMO

Bethesda s endings won t be like running for class pres like nv either. You wanted a chance to help the Enclave in FO3 you say??? Dont you remember they tried to steal you partents lifes work your dead mother s hopes and dreams. Your father killed himself so they couldn t get it. Enclave made the choice for you. No one was running for homecoming queen in fo3. It was cut and dry bos was good Enclave was bad. Even my evil player "Dahmer Bundy" didnt like the Enclave. How could anyone after what they did and how they did it???? Bethesda isn t fulled by Obsidians little ending stunt. It was almost cute but I ve confused the game while trying to get the ending I really want. NCR was convinced Kimball was showing up but the dude was dead for like 3 days. Obsidian gives you all these choices, but they didn t cove thier bases. IMO nv endings back fired. How can the ending be added into lore or canon there s at least 5 different endings that ive seen or heard about. Is House alive??

Welcome to RPGs dude... We'll just have to wait and see what's revealed in future games to find out what becomes official canon and what doesn't.