When I revisted tribunal some time ago I started wondering some things about Sotha Sil's Clockwork City. I know from his last words that Sotha was the only citizen and its location is unknown, but is there anything known about its history? Was it completely created by Sotha himself (with some help of fabricant like creatures or summoned deadra I suppose), or did he only expanded an already existing place? When exactly was it created? And what I'm wondering most: it's called a city. That implies that a lot of people live there. By the time of Sotha Sil's dead he was the only living person there, but was that always the case? Surely it hasn't been sealed ever since it was created?

I remember reading somewhere that someone went to the Clockwork City ( DIv Fyr? ) and saw some of the inhabitants. They were constructs. I remember no mention of fleshies.

City doesn't necessarily imply people.

Necropoleis are cities with no inhabitants, after all. And there are some ancient South American cities that served an entirely religious or ceremonial purpose, so they had few or no permanent residents.

The Clockwork City was created by Sotha Sil. He is the only inhabitant, besides his constructs. There is very little information on it, as Sotha Sil is a recluse and has not ventured out of his City in many years. Therefore, most of your questions cannot be answered. What we can be sure of is that he created it on his own.

Do you remember where you read it? It sounds like an intersting text to read!

Pitty we know so few of it, I've always liked the place.
Where did you find that Sotha Sil created it? I've always assumed he did, but I've never found any confirmation.

I imagine he's referencing http://www.imperial-library.info/content/sotha-sils-last-words:

"Just a note on Sotha Sil my friends....

That was not the entire City. No indeed. It was Master Sil's main hall within his hidden city of Clockwork madness. Just as, outside of the pearly gates in Mournhold, exists a crawling area of numerous homes, citizens, and vendors. Sotha Sil is quite expanse and houses many more inhabitants. I have seen them in person, and my, what a sight! In the case of the Nerevarine, I hear tale that when he was teleported in by Almalexia, the machina lift door behind him was caved in. For whatever reason (did Almalexia do it or did Sotha Sil?), this barred him from venturing further. Where the Nerevarine actually was, is Sotha Sil's workshop/lair.

Think about it though.... if this were a city, who could possibly call this place home? More intelligent fabricant type inventions? I dare not tell, although I have seen it with mine own eyes. Perhaps one day, the location will be openly known, and visitors can venture forth into the Clockwork City entire."--Divayth Fyr

Dang! I've read that text but I had completely forgotten about that part of Fyr's comments. At any rate it al least confirms that the city is inhabited by something.

If I may say so myself, I do not think it's the creation of Sotha Sil, but rather of the Dwemer before him. Mecha-Magic is their specialty.

It doesn't look like theirs, though. It looks more advanced. It's like the difference between seeing a 1968 Lincoln and a 2011 one. You can vaguely see elements of the original in the new, but the improvements and modifications are obvious. Sotha Sil may have been influenced on some level by what the Dwemer did but he really took it to a new level. Compare the Imperfect to the blocky, clumsy giant deactivated robots in Dwemer ruins. He's several leagues ahead of them in both aesthetic and functional ways.

Maybe some dwemer survived longer than most?

One did, yes. And that's it. And last time I saw him he was too busy being fat and diseased to be building things with Sotha Sil.

How do you know?If one can survive in an "outer realm"(possibly a realm of oblivion) whos to say others cant?Heck,is it proved the clockwork city is even in Nirn?

To answer your first question, we won't know for sure, but Yagrum has been around a very long time and traveled extensively and claims to have never once heard a credible rumor any others survived. So that's that.

For the second question, the city is where he lived and he was its inhabitant. Its location is unimportant. It's what it represents that mattered, and may still.

But did he travel extensively enough?And if the City was a Dwemer city and away from Nirn where the Dwemer disapear,whos to say they didn't become incredibly advanced?

If you ask me, Dwemer building the enire Clockwork City is stretching it to much. But a Dwemer ruin which Sotha made his home, that does sound credible.That's what I was thinking of initialy: Sotha Sil expanding upon the works of others which resulted in what we see in Tribunal.

Put yourself in his shoes (or spider chair thingy). You're the last of your race. You've been away a long time, come home and find everyone gone. Wouldn't you travel far and wide searching for others from your family, community or very species? Wouldn't your loneliness and isolation be unbearable? I'm sure he left no stone unturned anywhere in all the worlds he knew how to visit. He's the very last Deep Elf.




Keep in mind that the Dwarves didn't invent technology themselves. The beings called gods and ancestors by mortals on Tamriel came from other worlds, and landed in an honest to goodness space ship at one point. The Dwemer being Elves were descendants from the children of Aldmeris, as were the Chimer who became Dunmer. Perhaps Sotha Sil didn't copy the Dwarves but instead both he and they copied the same original architecture.

The way I see it is that Seht may very well have gained an increase in intelligence when he absorbed power from the HoL and given the look of the architecture he may well have designed it from teh ground up. Its like software, sometimes we try to patch something but there's only so far you push old tech. We then use what we learnt from teh old version to create a new, better version. Personally, I like the idea of the Dwemer being more advanced than Seht as he didn't earn his powers like they did. One could argue that he eventually did also. Centuries of iterative advancement gives a society more respect for technology than a massive leap. But their advancements weren't just technological they were also cultural. I like the fact that they rejected the Daedra and chose to investigate themselves. Seht is a Chimer though perhaps he eventually came around to their way of thinking and wasn't just exploring their tech to gain more power.

If he did indeed essentially give up and let Alma kill him then perhaps it was because of the serious role he played in their demise. How would one react when they realize they've killed something so much better than they are.

Where is this reference to a "Chariot of the Gods" per se?

Here Pha?thon lies who drove the Sun-god's car. Greatly he failed, but greatly he dared.

it really is a shame that the final resting place of a former god has to be so subjective and abstract. well, almalexia's too, since she died in the same subjective and abstract final resting place. and vivec is the only one left with any kind of dignity to him and with anything more or less defined about his final resting place... if you consider away in a different time slot 'defined' final resting place .

Vivec has become the Dreamer. His existence is a waking sleep, both infinitely relaxing and exciting. If you believe in that whole CHIM thing of course.

Whenever I read that, for some reason I imagine them crash landing in a DC -8... :rolleyes:

Usually when deities try to operate heavy machinery http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJEPFTwLkrg

I haven't seen this before and I can't find it on UESP. Link to source please?

I really shouldn't let you borrow this book. It's one of a kind and well worn. But you can peek at it in the visitor room for five minutes or so. And that's it. I could lose my job for this and they don't even pay me. In fact I don't even really work here. I've just been hanging out here forever and they haven't bothered to throw me out.

http://www.imperial-library.info/content/trial-vivec

Some people argue that this never really happened, but I know a guy who knows an Orc who heard about it from his best friend and he swears for real it's just as true as any other book in the library. So there.

Well, I believe what happened to Azura, but that may have been another night.