..::THE COMMUNITY TECH THREAD No. 96::..

Post » Tue May 17, 2011 2:02 am

Apparently there's a design flaw in the P67 chipset used in socket 1155 motherboards that is causing SATA performance to degrade or fail.

No P67 motherboards are being shipping (try adding one to your cart on Newegg). How can we expect it to be handled for the existing motherboards with this problem? Obviously they are going to fix the problem and revise the motherboards, but will existing owners get a replacement, or will we have to wait until something does go wrong to have it covered?

Here's an article: http://hothardware.com/News/Intel-Discovers-Flaw-In-Latest-Motherboard-Chipset-Halts-Production/


Yup, read about that this morning. As an early adopter myself, I can certainly understand potential early adopter penalties, but in reality it doesn't really affect me that much. I only use 4 SATA ports and 4 of the 8 that I have on my board are still "safe" since they're using a 3rd party controller. So it's just a waiting game for me until the revision boards come out. If you really look into it more, this is only going to affect up to 15% of the market and this SATA port degradation happens after a couple years depending on usage and all....so it's not an immediate flaw and most importantly, there's no data corruption should one of your storage components be connected to the faulty ports. It certainly is tough for those that need a good number of SATA ports though.....

Existing owners are to get an RMA replacement board from either the retail source or the OEM manufacturer....there is no reason not to issue it because Intel is paying for all of it...supposedly $1 billion to carry out the replacements. It's still the first day of announcement, so in the next couple weeks OEM and retailers will be given a game plan on how to handle the RMA's.

It'll be painful for the online buyers since they may have to ship the board back before getting the replacement leaving them boardless for ssome days. If you got an Asus board, then Asus's Advanced Replacement Program allows cross-shipping of bad and good boards provided you give them a valid credit card number as temporary collateral. If you're like me that got it at a Brick & Mortar store, then the downtime is a matter of a couple hours once the board is in stock.

It's certainly bad publicity overall, but Intel at least is doing something quickly about it before crap hits the fan later down the road and they certainly have the money to do it. The OEM PC-makers will be hit hard by the returns and replacements since thousands of these SandyBridge systems have to come back for repairs. The recall is for 8 million chipsets!!! Makes you wonder how many are in OEM PC systems....ouch for the labor and ship/receive departments.

The ones who really benefit from this are the motherboard component manufacturers and if you really think about it...the existing SB do-it-yourself owners. Component manufacturers because they're going to get paid (again) for providing for the replacement boards. The do-it-yourself owners because you still have a functioning board for some time that you can use and abuse until the replacement comes in which case, you get a new board :thumbsup:
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Post » Tue May 17, 2011 9:28 am

Yeah, I'm not really affected. I have 2 SATA III ports, and 2 HDDs. I don't use my optical drive hardly at all, nor my eSATA, so I have no other SATA devices. I was hoping that gigabyte would cross-ship, but it doesn't sound like it.
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Post » Tue May 17, 2011 3:34 pm

I have been working on a desktop for the last couple of days. Brand new build. I ran memtest and it discovered errors in the RAM. I tested each DIMM by itself and it ran fine. But when I placed them together, they failed. I placed them in, but not in Dual Channel Memory mode, and it works fine. What could be the issue here? I am using this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157200&cm_re=asrock_880gxh%2fusb3-_-13-157-200-_-Product with http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145218&cm_re=corsair_ddr3_1333-_-20-145-218-_-Product and the AMD Phenom IIx2 555 CPU.

Edit-Just re-ran Memtest with both sticks in but not in dual channel memory mode and it failed. That changes things around.
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Post » Tue May 17, 2011 7:19 am

Couple of questions that haven't been answered yet:

1. Why does flash player slow down my PC so much? I have a sandy bridge i5, but running flash player in the background makes my games FPS lower, even though I never hit above 35% CPU usage.

2. What does KERNEL_DATA_INPAGE_ERROR mean? Sometimes my PC crashes with that error, and I think I've narrowed it down to my HDD. It's a fairly new Caviar Black though, could it be dying already?
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Post » Tue May 17, 2011 1:21 pm

Okay, another question for my favorite forumers. I need a wireless Ethernet bridge, or wireless ethernet adapter, which ever it's called. Basically what I want to do, is have wireless receiver mounted on the wall behind my computer, and from the wireless receiver, I want to run an ethernet cable into the back of my computer via the mother motherboard obviously. An no USB adapters, i hate them :cryvaultboy: The reason I can't just go the network card route is because my GPU fries the sh-- out of them and kills'em. So! That predicament.

Router---->Wireless Receiver in my room---->through the Ethernet cable---->Into my desktop

I used a Belkin Wireless G Gaming Adapter for a while but it was finicky and had firewall issues...I think :sadvaultboy: Ill post a linker to it. http://www.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Product_Id=439238

Thanks for any help, much obliged.
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Post » Tue May 17, 2011 3:59 am

BF moved in a week ago and brought his BT Home Hub with him so we now use that for the wireless internet.

My laptop detects it fine and connects but my desktop isn't even seeing it. When I go to the 'connect top a network' option, it's finding every other network in the area except this one. I don't think it's a problem with the wireless detector I have plugged into my desktop because of this but I'm just not sure. The network is secured via a WPA key, but he also tried it as a WEP password and it didn't see that either. BF reset it to factory settings to see if it would make a difference but it hasn't.

I just don't understand why its not even seeing it. Sure if it wouldn't connect thats one thing but I can't get my head round why it can't even detect it in the area?
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Post » Tue May 17, 2011 7:52 am

Hey im in the middle of making a gaming computer, and i need to no whether or not these parts are any good. Can they play most games out today on Mid-High Settings?

RAM- Corsair CMX4GX3M1A1333C9 XMS3 4GB DDR3 RAM

Graphics card- HIS H695F2G2M Radeon HD 6950 Video Card - 2048MB, GDDR5, PCIe, Dual mini-Display Port, HDMI, Dual DVI

CPU- AMD Phenom II X4 920 Quad Core OEM Processor

If you have any suggestions, give em
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Post » Tue May 17, 2011 11:59 am

Anyone?
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Post » Tue May 17, 2011 11:39 am

@SpEcTrE

Looks good so far but if you got the money, buy a better CPU. A X4 955 (3,2GHZ) has a very good price and I can tell you that I can play everything with this CPU.
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Post » Tue May 17, 2011 10:29 am

I have started to play around with virtual machines since I got VMWare through school at no cost (school authorized and part of tuition) and was curious about a few things. Right now I only have an Ubuntu v10.10 virtual machine but I was considering adding a Windows XP, Vista, and/or 7 virtual machine as well for testing purposes. Now I know Ubuntu really cannot be infected as there are very few if any viruses/spyware that runs on Linux but when I use the Windows VMs if they pick up an infection will it get transferred to my host OS which is Windows 7 or will it stay in the VM itself?

Also when I use snapshots is that like using the program DeepFreeze if I choose to reload them or how do they work?
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Post » Tue May 17, 2011 3:50 am

Couple of questions that haven't been answered yet:

1. Why does flash player slow down my PC so much? I have a sandy bridge i5, but running flash player in the background makes my games FPS lower, even though I never hit above 35% CPU usage.

2. What does KERNEL_DATA_INPAGE_ERROR mean? Sometimes my PC crashes with that error, and I think I've narrowed it down to my HDD. It's a fairly new Caviar Black though, could it be dying already?


1. Because Flash is a terrible resource hog, especially on the CPU/RAM side.

2. Here's what Microsoft has to say about that error:

This Stop message indicates that the requested page of kernel data from the paging file could not be read into memory. This Stop message is usually caused by a bad block (sector) in a paging file, a virus, a disk controller error, or failing RAM. In rare cases, it is caused when nonpaged pool resources run out. It is also caused by defective hardware.


You might want to wave http://www.memtest86.com/ at your system, just to make sure it's not really your RAM. Otherwise, chkdsk can check for any bad sectors on your HDD. What makes you so sure it's your drive?
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Post » Tue May 17, 2011 11:59 am

Flash's CPU/Memory hogging is true, but is not really relevant to this case as his CPU usage doesn't boost past 35% and computers have enough memory to take it. The actual problem is likely the fact that a lot of uses of Flash Player (such as Youtube) will actually hit the GPU, so you really don't want to be running Flash while doing some GPU-intensive task like gaming!

My laptop detects it fine and connects but my desktop isn't even seeing it. When I go to the 'connect top a network' option, it's finding every other network in the area except this one. I don't think it's a problem with the wireless detector I have plugged into my desktop because of this but I'm just not sure. The network is secured via a WPA key, but he also tried it as a WEP password and it didn't see that either. BF reset it to factory settings to see if it would make a difference but it hasn't.

Is it 802.11a, b, g, n? Similarly, what's the best the computer can detect?

I have started to play around with virtual machines since I got VMWare through school at no cost (school authorized and part of tuition) and was curious about a few things. Right now I only have an Ubuntu v10.10 virtual machine but I was considering adding a Windows XP, Vista, and/or 7 virtual machine as well for testing purposes. Now I know Ubuntu really cannot be infected as there are very few if any viruses/spyware that runs on Linux but when I use the Windows VMs if they pick up an infection will it get transferred to my host OS which is Windows 7 or will it stay in the VM itself?

Very wrong about there not being Linux infections, though they are generally not built to target desktop users (of which there are very few), but rather servers (of which there are many). However, there's probably no way for any viruses running in the VM to enter the host OS. Hard to be sure about anything when you're running things on hardware using virtualization extensions (as VMWare does) instead of using pure emulation, however.
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Post » Tue May 17, 2011 1:36 pm

Very wrong about there not being Linux infections, though they are generally not built to target desktop users (of which there are very few), but rather servers (of which there are many). However, there's probably no way for any viruses running in the VM to enter the host OS. Hard to be sure about anything when you're running things on hardware using virtualization extensions (as VMWare does) instead of using pure emulation, however.

Since I am using VMWare how would an infection on say a Windows VM be handled if detected? I am assuming my host would remain untouched but I would like to be sure before I start up a sandbox OS to test and and mess around with. I do have an antivirus purchased and being used but I just want to be sure so I can avoid putting it on there if I don't need to. I might even disable network access on the VM since it won't really be used beyond application testing, or sandboxing. I know there are applications that do this with less hassle but I am looking to learn VMWare as well. So its main purpose is testing and learning platform.
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Post » Tue May 17, 2011 12:18 pm

I don't think VMWare has any kind of virus scanner built-in. It just runs the system as the system is presented to it. Whether that includes a virus or not is irrelevant.

Worth noting, a lot of viruses actually change their behavior if they detect they are being run inside a virtualized environment in order to confound anolysis.
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Post » Tue May 17, 2011 3:26 am

I don't think VMWare has any kind of virus scanner built-in. It just runs the system as the system is presented to it. Whether that includes a virus or not is irrelevant.

Worth noting, a lot of viruses actually change their behavior if they detect they are being run inside a virtualized environment in order to confound anolysis.

Alright thanks, guess I will give the Comodo antivirus a shot then so I don't need to install my copy of NOD32 on the VM.
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Post » Tue May 17, 2011 7:17 am

What makes you so sure it's your drive?

Because I had this error before I upgraded my mobo/CPU/RAM.
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Post » Tue May 17, 2011 2:31 am

@SpEcTrE

Looks good so far but if you got the money, buy a better CPU. A X4 955 (3,2GHZ) has a very good price and I can tell you that I can play everything with this CPU.

yeah, i am buying it peice buy piece overtime.

I got a moniter, soundsystem, Tower Case, Keyboard and mouse, for just 100 dollars. I know i guy who used to work with computer, He just got laid off and was kind of in need of money, he also has more then 20 working computers at his place, so he was selling them to make some scrap, he is a good friend too.
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Post » Tue May 17, 2011 9:26 am

Anyone know how I can presever an installation of a virtual machine using VMWare and shrink the disk that was preallocated? I want to shrink the virtual disk I use for Ubuntu from 20gb to 10gb but it seems I am unable to do so. I did find some links on Google but was a bit confused by them. Is ther a quick way to just clone the VM to a new one?
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Post » Tue May 17, 2011 6:41 am

Awww yeah.

Got my little issue figured with dual monitors. Found a converter while picking some stuff up in my room.

:celebration: :celebration: :celebration:

Dual monitors ftw!

Hmmm... already a minor problem. Every so often my second monitor will flash. Hard to explain really, it's almost like a black box flashes really quickly every so often. It's kinda strange....
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Post » Tue May 17, 2011 2:34 pm

Awww yeah.

Got my little issue figured with dual monitors. Found a converter while picking some stuff up in my room.

:celebration: :celebration: :celebration:

Dual monitors ftw!

Hmmm... already a minor problem. Every so often my second monitor will flash. Hard to explain really, it's almost like a black box flashes really quickly every so often. It's kinda strange....

Check the connections to the monitor and refresh rate settings and see if those things help. I would also try the monitor on another system as well to try and isolate the issue. If it flashes on the other system it is the monitor, if not then it is possibly the drivers or video card itself.

I am also trying to find a low cost machine to use for development. Mainly would be running Visual Studio (2008 and 2010), however I may also install Adobe software, and Microsoft Office. Right now I am just planning, I may not even buy it but I would like to find a price.

What I do NOT need:
- DVD drive (going to pull one from my desktop)
- Mouse/keyboard
- Speakers
- Monitor
- Dedicated video card
- CPU (buying a socket LGA 775 Core 2 Quad from a friend)

Options I have:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811226019 Price: 29.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157175 Price: 59.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139018 Price 59.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145238 Price: $59.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148395 Price: $39.99
Total: 249.95 USD (before shipping)

Foxconn TLM566-300W MicroATX Mid Tower Computer Case Price: $39.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128357 Price: $49.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817822001 Price: $59.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145238 Price: $59.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148395 Price: $39.99
Total: 249.95 USD (before shipping)

I think I can go with a smaller PSU for the first system. The second case does have a PSU but I normally don't trust those that come preinstalled with the case. I do prefer Intel systems however and want to keep my cost as low as possible. Size isn't a deal break (no full towers please) but I would like to go with a smaller case if possible. I also would like to stay with Seagate for the hard drive but a smaller one is fine since I will keep it hooked up to external storage or keep my code backed up online. Any suggestions welcome, though I prefer to stay with NewEgg.
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Post » Tue May 17, 2011 11:45 am

Hey guys

I need to buy an external hard drive. What would you recommend? I would like 1.5 - 2 TB. It also needs to have a pretty long life. I don't know what the average life span of an external hard drive is, but I would like to see 5 years. It doesn't matter to me if I buy an external or an internal + enclosure. I want the longest lasting HDD though. This would be purely for backups.

I was also considering buying a new mouse pad. I have http://www.staples.com/Staples-Deluxe-Mouse-Pad-with-Gel-Wrist-Rest/product_659887?cmArea=SEARCH one currently. It's several years old and quite worn out and stained. I was thinking of buying http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826999074. Would that mouse pad be worth the price? I need a wrist rest.

Thanks.
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Post » Tue May 17, 2011 1:52 am

I was also considering buying a new mouse pad. I have http://www.staples.com/Staples-Deluxe-Mouse-Pad-with-Gel-Wrist-Rest/product_659887?cmArea=SEARCH one currently. It's several years old and quite worn out and stained. I was thinking of buying http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826999074. Would that mouse pad be worth the price? I need a wrist rest.

I have http://www.amazon.com/Allsop-28465-Mouse-Memory-Black/dp/B0001Q2DL2/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1297299788&sr=8-3 and I love it. It's nice and simple, but effective.
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Post » Tue May 17, 2011 1:34 pm

Check the connections to the monitor and refresh rate settings and see if those things help. I would also try the monitor on another system as well to try and isolate the issue. If it flashes on the other system it is the monitor, if not then it is possibly the drivers or video card itself.

I am also trying to find a low cost machine to use for development. Mainly would be running Visual Studio (2008 and 2010), however I may also install Adobe software, and Microsoft Office. Right now I am just planning, I may not even buy it but I would like to find a price.

What I do NOT need:
- DVD drive (going to pull one from my desktop)
- Mouse/keyboard
- Speakers
- Monitor
- Dedicated video card
- CPU (buying a socket LGA 775 Core 2 Quad from a friend)

Options I have:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811226019 Price: 29.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157175 Price: 59.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139018 Price 59.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145238 Price: $59.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148395 Price: $39.99
Total: 249.95 USD (before shipping)

Foxconn TLM566-300W MicroATX Mid Tower Computer Case Price: $39.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128357 Price: $49.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817822001 Price: $59.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145238 Price: $59.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148395 Price: $39.99
Total: 249.95 USD (before shipping)

I think I can go with a smaller PSU for the first system. The second case does have a PSU but I normally don't trust those that come preinstalled with the case. I do prefer Intel systems however and want to keep my cost as low as possible. Size isn't a deal break (no full towers please) but I would like to go with a smaller case if possible. I also would like to stay with Seagate for the hard drive but a smaller one is fine since I will keep it hooked up to external storage or keep my code backed up online. Any suggestions welcome, though I prefer to stay with NewEgg.


All of that looks fine for a budget system. I find the first option to be more attractive though. There was a crazy deal going on at the egg for the past week, but will end today...and it's sold out:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?SID=u0t2635235f9fp46347c0s701&AID=10440897&PID=1225267&ItemList=Combo.592734&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-cables-_-na-_-na



Hey guys

I need to buy an external hard drive. What would you recommend? I would like 1.5 - 2 TB. It also needs to have a pretty long life. I don't know what the average life span of an external hard drive is, but I would like to see 5 years. It doesn't matter to me if I buy an external or an internal + enclosure. I want the longest lasting HDD though. This would be purely for backups.

I was also considering buying a new mouse pad. I have http://www.staples.com/Staples-Deluxe-Mouse-Pad-with-Gel-Wrist-Rest/product_659887?cmArea=SEARCH one currently. It's several years old and quite worn out and stained. I was thinking of buying http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826999074. Would that mouse pad be worth the price? I need a wrist rest.

Thanks.


Can't really go wrong with WD Elements and Seagate's FreeAgents drives. These are nice:
http://www.amazon.com/Western-Digital-Elements-Desktop-External/dp/B002QEBMCI/ref=pd_cp_e_1

I too have an allsop pad...it's a cheapo one, but they're nice and comfy. Not really in the know about mads though. :shrug:
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Post » Tue May 17, 2011 12:30 am

Hey guys

I need to buy an external hard drive. What would you recommend? I would like 1.5 - 2 TB. It also needs to have a pretty long life. I don't know what the average life span of an external hard drive is, but I would like to see 5 years. It doesn't matter to me if I buy an external or an internal + enclosure. I want the longest lasting HDD though. This would be purely for backups.

Well, very important is what sort of ports do you have? An enclosure with the fastest port you have would probably be nice to have for doing large backups. eSATA? USB 3.0? Does it also need to have something universal like USB 2.0 so that any computer absolutely can put things on an off of it? Do you actually need external, or is it just for backing up one computer, and you can just pop another HDD in your case?

Anyway, the Spinpoint F4 is one of the few 2TB HDDs I'd recommend. It doesn't really appear to have the same terrible failure rate of many 2TB drives.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152245&nm_mc=OTC-Froogle&cm_mmc=OTC-Froogle-_-Hard+Drives-_-SAMSUNG-_-22152245

As for the enclosure, Rosewill has one that I would really recommend that comes is quite a number of configurations as far as ports. It's not exactly pretty, but it has something important for longevity: a fan.
Black USB 3.0 (which is backwards compatible, so the whole USB 2.0 being compatible with every computer thing is taken care of)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182210
Silver USB 3.0
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182211
Black eSATA & USB 2.0 (if you don't have USB 3.0, but you do have eSATA, this would be your best bet)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817173042
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Post » Tue May 17, 2011 7:58 am

All of that looks fine for a budget system. I find the first option to be more attractive though. There was a crazy deal going on at the egg for the past week, but will end today...and it's sold out:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?SID=u0t2635235f9fp46347c0s701&AID=10440897&PID=1225267&ItemList=Combo.592734&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-cables-_-na-_-na

I was hoping to see if I could lower the cost slightly. The CPU I am buying from a friend of mine is an Intel socket 775 CPU, I forget if it is a Core 2 Duo or Quad. What I will be doing is swapping the CPU in my current system and moving my current one (Core 2 Duo E6750) to the new system. Both are the same socket so I am not changing any other component in my other PC.

Also right now I run virtual machines on my laptop which only has 3gb of ram, the new system will need to handle a couple virtual machines as well (not running at the same time) so I am assuming 4gb should be fine, and I can use 1gb for the VM. Do you think they will both be useful for that? Was the first more attractive just for being a normal midsize ATX build?
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