No, 6 skills each and Alchemy and light armour are in Stealth

Welcome to the forums. You have just shown you did not read the first post of this topic . Archery is already confirmed in Combat.

I'd LOVE to see Unarmored in. If it is, I will play a mage at first walkthrough for sure!

And merging Security and Sneak makes NO sense at all, what, if you pick a thousand of locks, you would sneak around less noticeable? Wut?

Though newSpeechcraft = Mercantile + oldSpeechcraft actually makes perfect sense, cause at least in TES Mercantile has always been convincing the shopkeeper to sell for a smaller price, and that's what you do with your speech. And that would make two perfect branches for the skill's perk tree!

And I can't see how the Archery is under Combat... It always was a part of a "rogue" archetype, which is nothing else than TES' Stealth skill set. Actually that all would make perfect sense if there was Hand-to-Hand skill. It would be under Combat, and archery under Stealth (plus Security/Lockpicking). But I agree that H2H was pointless, though some people have actually played as 'boxer'.

So, Security is in, otherwise I'll be very, very suprised and disappointed by Bethesda, and I hope the remaining skill is Unarmored, though I don't believe it's in.

I can't remember exactly where I saw the bit from Todd, but does anyone else remember him saying something about daggers being a stealth based thing even though they fall under one-handed?

Yes, he said its stealth-kill perks is under sneak, not under one-handed, though one-handed skill still influences its damage in open battle

lol@me :laugh:

i did read the op but missed the archery part twice. makes sense though for stealth from a certain perspective but as the action is a combat exclusive it makes sense that it is where it is. I wonder if there might be a skill associated with dodging..

I was thinking the same thing, but in the demo video from G4 when they are showing the skills they were color coded for combat, magic, and stealth, and archery was in with the combat stuff.

How does moving Archery from stealth make sense?
All combat skills you put up (minus archery) increase due to your Strength. Archery? Archery goes off of agility (or speed I forget)
Almost every stealth skills is increased off of agility (or speed, again I forget) It makes sense it would be grouped with skills that all increase from the same attribute.

pretty sure they made this change because you never use archery except as part of combat.

Alchemy under Stealth??? I would think that would be under Magic...

First of all, there are no attributes like Strength and Agility anymore.
Secondly, Isn't it kinda weird that Archery goes under Agility? While it is certainly a plus to be agile if your using a bow, isn't Strength a more fitting attribute for it, seeing that you have to draw it and all? Always thought that was weird...

maybe some strange acrobatics/athletics combo called movement lol but probably lockpicking and salesmanship???

I personally think speech craft and mercantile should be integrated, they are 2 halves of a whole, after all speech craft isnt represented as actual speech giving as in politics, more as a persuasive way of talking which makes it more akin to bartering to me.

I dont think so, if you are actually familiar with bows then you would know it depends on the bow type, some bows require very little in the way of strength to be used competently, yet all types require a great deal of agility to be used well.

i think the 2 are security (for locks, traps, etc) and merchantile (but this skill will help with jobs aswell).

if merchantile has been mixed with speechcraft then idk cause i dont think well have a skill that mixes atheletics, acrobat, and H2H since the devs have stated those skills were out or pointless to have (acrobat and atheletics). also i dont think security will be mixed with stealth since the skills needed for the 2 have no releation at all to each other (as in why should you get better at sneaking by unlocking a chest).

yah

I wonder what they are though XD

hmmmm I'm guessing it will probably be some kind of an Assassination/Rogue skill thingy, and throwables XD :toughninja:

I think that mercantile will be merged into speechcraft, but it will have its own set of perks. I also would not be surprised if security was merged into stealth, but who knows. I doubt they will have a streamlined athletics-acrobatics skill. I hope they bring back unarmored, but I doubt they will.

Well, from the recent Cheng interview it seems likely that HtH is the missing Stealth skill. Though personally I'd probably prefer a skill that incorporated athletics, acrobatics and HtH under the same umbrella.

Security is a lock. Hehe.

No clue about the other one, since I agree that mercantile will be tied up with speechcraft.

i want to be able to dodge too so throw that in... those dragons look pretty big with attacks that effect large areas so a quick dodge movement seems natural to me....... oblivion had that dodge that came with leveling up your acrobatics... i enjoyed that even though i think it could have been done better... and i think it will be more useful with the larger enemies that skyrim will have to offer....

security and trapping

My votes would be...

- Security (uses lock picking, trap setting, trap disarming to level up)
- Survival (uses fishing, wood cutting, fire making, cooking to level up)

It's confirmed that you can cook stuff, so I assume this has to be incorporated in to the skill tree somehow, just like smithing, enchanting, and alchemy. Also, I thought they confirmed no athletics and no acrobatics to eliminate folks spam jumping across the land. Finally, to remove confusion as to which skills go where, there should only be 6 skills per archetype. (Which is why Archery should be in combat, not stealth). Thus...

Combat (6) - Smithing, Heavy Armor, Block, Two Handed, One Handed, Archery
Magic (6) - Enchanting, Alteration, Restoration, Destruction, Conjuration, Illusion
Stealth (6) - Sneak, Alchemy, Speech, Light Armor, Security, Survival

1- security

2-H2H combat

Todd confirmed that H2H is out.

Link?