The console PC war

Post » Sat May 28, 2011 3:33 am

In ye olden days, gaming was a much smaller market. A niche market, even, and the technology was much simpler (and cheaper). Pixelated 2D sprites are easier to create than miles of realistic 3D terrain. Because the market was small and the process was cheap, you could safely make games of just about any genre. Very simple, accessible action games? You bet. Brutally harsh, complicated RPG's? Of course. Westerns? Naval battles? BurgerTime? You name it. Everyone was happy, because they could always find a game that catered to their favorites.

As the market grew, consoles became more popular, because people were buying games just to play games, instead of a thing they could do on the computer they already owned. It became increasingly necessary to be competitive, and increasingly expensive to make games. Now they cost millions of dollars to make. You have to market them to as wide a demographic as possible, because a flop is too much of a financial risk. Thus, they are often watered down with mass appeal. You have the strange result of these huge, blockbuster games that are also stagnant and shallow, and people love them or hate them. Many PC gamers are frustrated because nobody makes the games they like anymore. When it seems like they might, they don't. When the PCers try to push toward someone making a game they want, others shoot them down and want it to be more like everything else, because they are lucky and in the group that likes the available games. They see no problem with this because they figure it makes the games better, and don't understand that what they're basically saying is "you should be happy with nothing while I get everything", and that it is infuriating.

Of course, the cruel whims of capitalism are not the fault of console gamers. They are, however, the beneficiaries of it, and the losers will inevitably become bitter toward the winners...especially when the winners unknowingly tend to rub it in their face. The anger is justified but the targets are not, and then the targets fight back with claims of elitism and nostalgia goggles, which ironically is taking their justified frustration at being attacked and turning it into an unjustified counterattack right back, effectively telling the other side that their favorite games and fond memories of being the favored demographics are are bad and they just don't know what they're talking about.

Or, to put it short and simple, console/PC wars have nothing to do with PC users modding the game. Like all arguments, it is because people are stupid and/or jerks.
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Nicole Elocin
 
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 3:38 am

Dude, modding has nothing to do with PC vs Console threads. Why would you even think that? Mods are just a plus for PC gaming, why would they be wrong?

Modding is about making changes that you want to the game, and can range from new skins for weapons and armor to massive new landscapes and questlines. Of course people are exited about modding the new game, it's cool.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 3:16 am

No disrespect to the OP but it sounds like you are a tad bitter at the fact that a console cannot be modded.

I always play my first 2-3 playthroughs with NO mods what so ever. then after that i start getting some of the FANTASTIC mods this community produces. I also spend many hours in the Construction set my self making bases and more enemies etc.

Seriously after a while the original game becomes boring just like with any game and MODS keep it fresh everyday something new is added whether it be weapons,armour or quests.

Its a matter of personal choice, I still play Morrowind to this day because of the top quality mods.
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Channing
 
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 4:04 am

Really? did this tread really have to be made?

Modding is one of the things that TES is know best for. if they got rid of modding, the TES Nexus would start an insurrection.
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Cathrin Hummel
 
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 11:13 pm

i always buy it for the box or ps3 first because i know that if i have acces to the console i will use it then when i have squeezed every bit of gooey fun that i can out of it then i buy it for pc and mod it. no im not a spoiled rich kid either both systems are used and i built my pc
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 6:58 am

Modding keeps TES games alive in the community i play both 360 and PC and i will probably buy the 360 game first play it on my big screen AND get the PC game later to mod to my hearts content. but you need to realize that while less apparent than the consoles community like XBL the PC modding community is vibrant and full of ideas some of your favorite games started as mods... Portal, DOTA, Team fortress, Left 4 Dead, Battlefield 2, the list goes on mods are the communities ideas coming to life and they are extremely important to games, games development and the flow of ideas
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 3:53 am

I've never gamed on a console and have no desire to. I do love mods for Bethesda games and can't imagine not being able to make a favorite NPC essential via a console command (such as the traveling merchants in FO3 who always seem to get snuffed early on).
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 8:11 am

Never heard such a ridiculous statement :"modding is wrong" Have I just witnessed the birth of gaming fundamentalism?

modding is encouraged by BGS and has provided tools to do so. I think the authority on the matter has clearly spoken. modding is wrong? utter nonsense

I bet if you could get mods onto the Xbox, or it was allowed or what ever, it would be very popular.

Being a game artist, I got into modding. End of that story.

Don't be confused into thinking that is everything that I care about though. Game development is probably more interesting to me than playing games, but I still play the games I mod.

As it happens I don't play a heavily modded game, neither Ob nor MW. Even though I am a pretty "hardcoe modder"
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 8:27 pm

frankly, I couldnt care less. Consoles are too expensive for my reality and I always thought games for pc are very, VERY different from those for Console. And there is absolutely nothing wrong with any of this, as to me it appears to be a matter of taste.

I guess the 'lack of love' that "Consolians" have been feeling is greatly misplaced, though. Yes, you are consumers who just pay $ for everything like us, PC'ers, and yes I see some Fireballs being cast by PC'ers as well as from your crowd - yet what you would have to press is NOT Bethesda company; nor us PC'ers.

You'd have to press Sony, MS and whoever the hell produces them Consoles. There is either a technical reason (or some intellectual property reason, do not know) that makes Consoles impermeable to something that - and read the following well - has come to stay. You do not get mods, because... ? That is the console companies problem. So voice it loud enough in big numbers and in a civilised manner, and you may get them to do something that enables use of mods.

EDIT: Just fyi, voted option 2 - no....
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Juan Cerda
 
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 3:33 am

I'd still play it on PC without the mods.. I want my open world to look as pretty as possible which PC graphic cards can do with aliasing and filtering!
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 6:03 am

if oblivion didnt have mods i would not have even finished that game. the first time i saw bandits in glass armor just completely killed the game for me. fortunately some of the early levelled list mods like sages mod were out and helped make the game playable again.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 5:33 am

I understand where you're coming from, and I agree that people shouldn't just assume that the game will require mods to play, and should wait for and play the vanilla game before complaining. That said, there is nothing wrong with modding it. All mods do is add to the game, letting you enjoy longer and without certain frustrations. Bethesda themselves will play and feature mods, from time to time.

From a business perspective, I am sure it is a lot more than the 'bold' part. Remember this is first and foremost a corporation, dealing with scarce resources - time, money, brains, zots, shelf space (still) - etc...
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 7:14 pm

There's been quite a few pointless, [censored] polls on the forums lately, but this one is a real contender for the crown.

Paint chips people--they aren't Pringles.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 10:01 am

[quote name='Rhekarid' timestamp='1293069078' post='16859900']



I wonder how many ppl here on these forums have played Baldur's Gate, Eye of the Beholder, Bard's Tale, Dungeon Masters... Not to mention Knightmare, Megalomania (oh that music... canot find this game!), Drifter, Gunfright, UFO, ET from thooose early days...

Hell - dont have to go too far: ARENA! what, 5%?
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 9:48 am

I think there is such a hostility between the two becuase the PCers just mod everything
in fact some of the first articles that open up are asking what mods you want..WTF
the game comes out in the year and you already wanna mod it...i do have respect for you but i also dont like the fact that its all you seam to care about


LOL U MAD? No, i'm kidding. But, i believe that after a few months or a year after us computer wizards start busting out insanely good mods that Bethesda should drop out a patch avaible for purchase to amplify the game a bit with mods they have chosen to put in the game. It would make console players happy. *cough* PC > all *cough* :flamethrower:
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 8:08 pm

LOL U MAD? No, i'm kidding. But, i believe that after a few months or a year after us computer wizards start busting out insanely good mods that Bethesda should drop out a patch avaible for purchase to amplify the game a bit with mods they have chosen to put in the game. It would make console players happy. *cough* PC > all *cough* :flamethrower:

Loads of lawsuits, buddy. Beth will never do anything like this AND charge. One guy form the community that proves his mod influenced one bit of the system somehow and Beth folks are screwed. For life. And death.
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Taylor Thompson
 
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 7:35 pm

Loads of lawsuits, buddy. Beth will never do anything like this AND charge. One guy form the community that proves his mod influenced one bit of the system somehow and Beth folks are screwed. For life. And death.

except no. seeing anyone who has modded using the GECK/CS has waived any right to content created with Beths mod tools. Beth has their bottom covered by their EULA.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 9:43 am

In the place of a console you would have a PC! Not dark but beautiful and terrible as the Morn! Treacherous as the Seas! Stronger than the foundations of the Earth! All shall mod me and despair!

Epic win.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 10:25 pm

except no. seeing anyone who has modded using the GECK/CS has waived any right to content created with Beths mod tools. Beth has their bottom covered by their EULA.


That's a bit questionable. Just because it's in a EULA doesn't mean it's enforceable law, especially when you start talking about laws in many different countries.Plus the PR fallout would make such a move incredibly stupid.

Also guys, y;all have been pretty decent in keeping the discussion on mods and not insulting others, keep it that way, please.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 8:36 pm

I always start a new TES or FO game in it's vanilla state, but eventually my curiosity gets the best of me. It starts out simply at first. A little interface change here. Maybe a body mod. But before long it escalates into full on game overhaul.

I typically play through the game at least once in a mostly vanilla state. I guarantee that mods are the only reason I played Oblivion and Morrowind for as long as I did. Mods continued to give me reason to go back to Tamriel, and without them, I would have hung the game up long ago and simply waited for the next installment.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 9:30 pm

"Could care less"

Sigh. You mean "Couldn't care less"

I could care less. It would take a lot of effort though.

Really, correcting grammar or spelling is not contributing to the discussion. There are probably forums out there that require perfect spelling and grammar; this forum does not. If you can't understand a post, asking the poster if you understood them correctly is okay. Posting simply to say you don't understand their post is pointless spam. There is a line in the forum rules about being a grammar or spelling cop, as in asking people not to do it.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 2:38 am

That's a bit questionable. Just because it's in a EULA doesn't mean it's enforceable law, especially when you start talking about laws in many different countries.Plus the PR fallout would make such a move incredibly stupid.

Also guys, y;all have been pretty decent in keeping the discussion on mods and not insulting others, keep it that way, please.

Didn't a gaming mag have a dvd with a load of mods. ie they were selling a mag+dvd with mods on it. afaik no law suits came of that.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 5:17 am

there is nothing wrong with modding it, but people do mod it wrong, and there are only like 4 or 5 good mods out there unless you make your own, but you cant really enjoy that that much since you had so much to do with it
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 6:59 am

This thread is irrelevant to Skyrim related discussion it should be locked....
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 12:58 am

In the place of a console you would have a PC! Not dark but beautiful and terrible as the Morn! Treacherous as the Seas! Stronger than the foundations of the Earth! All shall mod me and despair!

Take it easy there, Galadriel... Geez, I didn't even want to look in to your stupid mirror.
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