So...to put it really really really simply it's just there corrupted interpretation of padomays chaos nature.
Is that right?

Theirs is also a corruption/interpretation of Mephala mixed in with the worship of Sithis, similar to how the Brotherhood is a corruption/interpretation of the Morag Tong (who is more clearly associated with Mephala).

What I find interesting is how much the mortals can shape the gods. As Mortazo said; belief has power.
There's a quote from the book "The Years of Rice and Salt" which I like:
"The words of God comes to us like rain falling onto the earth. All our understanding of God is therefore muddy."

Ergo, man's inability but continual attempt to understand things beyond her.

However, with belief having such power, wouldn't it also possible for mortals to change the gods (and possibly the daedra too).
What people believe shapes and defines the gods. Perhaps not quickly and certainly not easily, but still.
A kind of reverse mantling, to use the TES term. The god starts to assume the properties the worshipers believe him/her to have, because lending the mortals power in exchange for prayers eventually form an almost symbiotical bond, making the mortal's beliefs a part of their character.

If that is correct, it might be possible that the Dark Brotherhood's quirky mix of Mephala/Void worship ends up creating an avatar of Sithis.
Not an avatar of Sithis-Void though, since Void has no connection to Nirn, but something else, that nonetheless will bear the name Sithis.


That creation myths are similar but contain "local" varieties I don't find very strange.
Since people are limited in what they can see and understand, they will interpret it by referencing it to what they can see and interpret, i.e. the environment around them and their own experiences.
Because that varies, the creation myths vary too.
I'm a bit hesitant to drag IRL parallels into this, but I think it's safe in this case.
When looking at RL religions and their creation-myths, scholars have found that there are certain key elements in virtually all of them, a kind of meta religion, with the actual religions being the local/cultural/racial variations.

The ES Gods might be different from ours, but you can always trust people to be people (even when they're mer or khajiit or argonian), so that fits.

I'm adding to this thread because it's a good thread and I don't want to add another topic to the billions of topics that are already cluttering this website.

I made this pic using my current understanding of the way the universe of TES is constructed. Although I'm sure it's wrong as I'm not a lore buff and I'm sure the aurbis, mundus, aetherius, oblivion, Nirn, stars, void, unvoid are a little too complicated to represent in a 2D picture. But let me know how close I am please.


http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/5719/lorecopy.jpg

It's correct...though extremely unnecessary. That is a pretty easy concept to understand without the use of a chart.

A pretty unnecessary reason to necromance a thread, in my opinion.

Well, I'm a visual learner and that's the best way that I learn so that's why I made a picture. So there ya have it.
Any ways, as I understand it, the stars are all the same distance from the planet and each star is a bridge to Aetherius. So therefore, all the stars are on the inner wall of Oblivion. I guess I would just draw little spots all along the inner red circle that I drew. I read somewhere that the each star represents one of the daedra. Or maybe I dreamed it.

Any ways, too late now to make a new thread.
But you know, I'll make one any ways, making it number one billion and one on this website.

Apologies for the hostility you may have perceived in my post. Please understand that on the forums, it's more acceptable to start a new topic that bump a topic that is about to be two years old.

But to reiterate, your diagram is still correct with its modifications.

Well your prayers have been answered. I made a new topic.

Lorkhan is the Daedric Prince of Mundus. He created the world, but some of the other Aedra got mad because they suddenly realized they weren't godly hot stuff anymore in his realm because of his "trickery." So Akatosh sent forth The Trinimac to rip out Lorkhan's heart, and then they ate his liver with some fava beans and a nice Chianti.

But Daedra can't create; only change. Only Aedra can create.
http://www.imperial-library.info/book_daedra/

Creation is a form of change.

That's pretty hair-splitting.

The Daedra are defined as not participating in the convention (hence this particular definition of "creation"). Lorkhan not only participated in the convention, he was its chief instigator. The Daedra avoided cutting anything off of themselves for the sake of Nirn and its stability. Lorkhan didn't just lose a piece; he lost his heart.

That's two pretty important criteria for "Daedra" that Lorkhan doesn't fit.

So you're saying Daedra can break their own rules and create things that Aedra can do? It's just that, Daedra would rather not create? Does that mean that Aedra can change but choose not to?

I gotta got to bed; work and school tomorrow. Hopefully the lore gods on here will intervene and create change in these threads. hee uck

The Daedra wouldn't want to create the things that the Aedra did. Creation in that form requires self-sacrifice in varying degrees, and Daedra wanted no part in that, especially when they could let the Aedra do all the birthing and then woo away the choicest offspring. When we read about the Daedra creating their own realms, it's still technically changing - their realms are made from harvested http://www.imperial-library.info/obscure_text/nu-hatta_nu-mantia.shtml#7.

Quite a few of the Aedra are dead, like Y'ffre, sacrificed to give Nirn some sense of stability and form. So those particular Aedra are not going to be creating or changing anytime soon. As for the Nine... That's a subject I'll leave to others, for I don't know enough to explain.

So what about when those commanders sacrificed themselves at Cylarne to light the Flame of Agnon? How's that different from Aedra/Earthbones? For that matter.....how is Haskill, Dyus, and those obelisks any different from Aedra?

The Flame of Agnon was a temporary sacrifice. As for Jyggalag, he certainly has properties that seem very Aedric. His sphere is often considered Anuic, he seems to prefer mortals over lesser Daedra, the Isles are host to native mortal life (in particular the Grummites, who not only worship the crystals but are said to be the Isles' original inhabitants), and given he walked away from his realm, I wouldn't be surprised if he gave up a part of himself to the Shivering Isles similar to the Aedra for Nirn.