Wat. This is news to me. Sources?

So, would destroying belief in them actually kill them, rather than just weaken them to irrelevancy?

Bob, you're an accountant. You should be crunching numbers not trying to debunk philosophy and metaphysics.

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Aedra_and_Daedra It says here they can be killed, and references Lorkhan.Ellert breathed life into him.

Maybe he's looking for an answer in the numbers?

164661you're22711wrong0233535

There's the problem, right there.

Also http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Monomyth

I...

I feel shame. SHAAAAAME. I'm going to go wander the Earth, and contemplate how I could be so wrong. I may return many moons in the future. If I do not come back, know that I have achieved enlightenment.

The problem is that what you are all basically saying is that a being that's believed to be a god is considered a god.

If you were to make a little wooden carving of a man and call it a god, is it a god?

Let's go a little further and say that the carving can somehow walk, talk, and creates it's own little wooden carving of a man and calls it a god.

Are you a god for creating a god?

Who created you?

Did you give magically powers to the living carving?

Is the living carving bound by your powers?

Trying to call something that was created a god, doesn't make it an actual god.

You're just calling it that.

By that definition everything is a god.

No, by that definition everything worshipped as a God and/or influences the world is a God.

The mythology and stories is what makes a God. Not their power of person, but there power over people by belief.

How many times does everyone have to tell you the same thing before you understand?

Are you a god if someone believed you to be?

To them I would be. Belief is strong and can rule lives.

EDIT: I like how you go into microscopic nitpicking to prove you're right. You're being quite ignorant here.

To that person, to a certain extent, yes.

If you define a god by their influence on the world, then someone believeing in you as a god does influence the world, as their philosophy is shaped by you and you influence via them.

If an entity is revered by people and manipulates the world around them, then they are truly a god.

Bob. You are not a mythologist. I think they know a little more than you. Your argument gets less and less feasible with each post. Both by you and those against you. I'd trust the word of scholars over, well, you.

Not every god is omnipotent, omnipresent, omnificent or even omniscient. There have been many cultures where gods take on different aspects, and some are overthrown by
other gods. Some possibly even die, although there's usually a convenient plot twist that allows them to come back during the end times.
Th Aedra are a pantheon of gods which are worshipped by different cultures under different names. The Daedra are (generally) the more evil gods who generally have
more direct influence over the world. Whereas the Aedra seem to act through subtle acts and champions.

And about your whole 'so belief makes you a god' argument, Bobby, are you familiar with the Thalmor's true intentions?

They see themselves as descendants of the Gods, and the true Inheritors of transcendence. (Or the state the gods are in, above mortals) and they must remove the gods, undoing reality and thus ascending.

They remove Gods by removing belief. That's why Talos worship was banned. To undo Talos, which undoes Talos as a God and begins to unravel creation. With the belief in the gods, creation can exist.

No belief in the gods, no power to the gods. No gods. No reality. Dead.

Wrong. A God doesn't have to be that. Think about the Greek and Roman gods.

Yes. That's how religions work, both in our world and in Tamriel.

Why can't a god be created? Being a god means having power over a particular aspect of the world, or even the entire world. It doesn't mean that you're the most powerful being in existence, or the first one, or the only one. It only means that in somebody's eyes, you control something, and that makes you worthy of worship.

You are a god to the goldfish in your aquarium. You decide whether it lives or dies, you give it light or darkness, solitude or companionship. You control its world and if you have access to proper scientific equipment, you can control certain things about its body. And if your goldfish was a bit smarter, it would worship you, because it's entirely dependent on you.

There are so many definitions of god, Bob. Too many to talk about them here. If you choose to stick with the narrowest of them all, of course you can - but it doesn't make it the only true definition.

Which is why (D)Aedra are often called "god-like" and not just gods.

We tried that little subject. He just ignored it, conveniently enough.

Look Bob, you're argument is in ruins. How can you keep going with so much evidence and strong opposition?

Orly?

Old Testament God actually screwed up quite a few times. Lucifer, who held the position of Satan (which was a title bestowed to the biggest dike in God's court) actually TRICKED God into taking the proverbial dump on one of his own followers.

You know, more or less ruining the guy's life. Despite being God, he was bested by one of his own angels, more or less defying your definition of what a God is supposed to be.

In the end, anything could be considered a God. What matters is how many people consider something to be a God, and how powerful that belief is. Take Bender from Futurama when he was stranded in outer space. To the residents living on him, he appeared Godly, but to everyone else, he was just a robot.

Are you implying Talos mantled Eric Clapton? And did Clapton achieve CHIM?

We both have a definition of what God is.

Your definition is very loosely based to the point where anything is a god. This is a god, that's a god, he's a god, she's a god, everything's a god.

It's like repeating the same word over and over again till the word looses it's meaning.

We use the same letters to form the same word but have two entirely different meanings.


No, I'm not and don't need to be.

Where did the Mythologist obtain his definition of God?

Did someone teach him?

Did he form his own definition?

Who taught the person that taught the Mythologist?

We're arguing opinion and we probably aren't going to come to an agreement on the subject.

the problem is, in your point of view, a god is, what monoteist religions dictate, a beign like the Christian God or Aláh, and outside those standars, nothing else can be a god to you, as all the other gods from other cultures were somehow like deadra and aedra. But if you say greek gods are not gods, because they don enter in your standars like the Christian God, tou you they are not, even when they chose to believe they were, and you chose to believe what a god is by adapting your definition to a god like the Christian one. That beign said, you opinion ia not the absolute definition of a god as you chose to believe it and you are making a contradiction of your statements.

Religion is opinion. Do we have to fight a religious war over this? because that's the main reason they are fought.

In our world there is absolutely no proof of the existence of any god. Therefore belief and opinion are the only things creating said god figure.

In TES world, gods are quite real and can interact with mortals. Noone can question the existence of Mehrunes Dagon or that he's powerful and immortal.

Thus we cannot use our world's definition of "godhood" in the TES world. The inhabitants of said realm have their own definition of it and we simply have to accept it, since we aren't part of this system.

Also, I'm still thinking this can be considered trolling. Even if you did that unintentionally, you are quite successful.