From what i understood ans gathered...

The Daedra live in oblivion and even the lowest of the low can't be killed . You have more powerful Daedra which are called Prince and each of them 'own' a district (Which can be the size of tamriel) .. They're bored to the gill since nothing change and no one can kill no one ... Than someday the mortal realm POP and WOW .... It's fun messing in the affair of the mortal!! It's entertaining!!! So they decide that what make them more 'important' it's the worship of the human .. One of them Dagon want destruction and change!!! But since nothing change in the oblivion or can get killed he's bored and by 2 time he try to become the 'ruler' of the mortal plane but he fail all the time.

Than you have the other gods .. Which seem to be older and the essence of the world.

So Daedra are just immortal being and really bored !!!

As I said before, The Monomyth is the book to read: it gives you the creation beliefs of the elves and man (which reveals the differences between the Aedra and Daedra)

Edit: No Suprez, it's not like that

Thanks Alot !!


And the Aedra are ?

Aedra are lame.

The Aedra are all Good, where as some of the Daedra are good and others are bad.

People like to throw the term subjective around, it's all perceptive etc.

But it's obvious what the main view of them is.

Azura and Meridia are presented as good.

Boethia,Mehrunes Dagon, Molag Bal, Vaermina, Sanguine,Namira are presented as Bad or Evil.

Peryite, Mephala,Clavicus Vile, Jyggalag, Sheogorath,Nocturnal, Malacath and Hircine as either or neither.

Are not! :tongue:

yes they are. they are supposed to be all-powerful gods, but they can't effect reality. daedra can effect reality all they f-ing want. true, mortal intervention is required for them to do serious stuff, but at least they can still do something!

You realize that Nirn/Mundas also exists in Oblivion right? The mortal realm . The only thing that protects the mortal realm from the powers of Oblivion that it exists in is the Aedra. So Aedra and Deadra both exist in Oblivion. There is more to being a Deadric Prince then just power, The Deadric Princes have formed themselves in to plane(t)s. For example, the shivering isles isn't just a realm sheogorath rules over, it is the very representation of sheogorath's power. Lesser Deadra that are unable to form planets serve the stronger more powerful deadra as servents.



The Aedra are not intrinsically good; You're also getting the 8 Divines confused with the Aedra, the 8 Divines are Aedra but there is more Aedra then just the 8 divines. Lorkhan Is also an Aedra but is considered evil or wrong by many. The Nords consider him good and call him Shor. The Altmer consider him evil, partly because of the fact the Nords worship him but also they blame him for separating mortals from the spirit realm. Notably Lorkhan is also the Son of Padomay, whom the dark brotherhood refer to as Sithis. Also Akatosh gave birth to the Dragons which many consider to be an act of evil as these are immortal beings that desire only power and very few are ever able to break away from that powerlust that their father gave them. Also Akatosh is the god of time, time is an unbeatable enemy that will eventually destroy all with the exceptions of Anu and Padomay.

Akatosh notably is the first of the spirit/plane(t) gods to come into existence as the creation of all aedra and deadra relies on Akatosh's power, time.

So the Daedras are gods, but they are so powerfull that they can affect the world ?

And not all of them are Evil.

I found this picture, which shows an Auroran which is a Daedra from do the realm of Meridia. http://images.uesp.net/2/2e/OB-creature-Auroran.jpg
It is not a Demon like Daedra..

I always thought that Oblivion was like Hell.. but from what i've understood, Oblivion is another dimension which every Daedric Prince have his own realm.. am i right ?

I agree with the idea that good and evil is subjective. They are Daedric because (from what I believe) they originate and can pass into/through the plane of Oblivion.

What!?

They are Reality.

Kynareth is the season.

Mara is Love

Akatosh is Creator/Father

Dibella is Beauty

Akatosh is Death and Rebirth

Zenithar is Honest work and fair trade

Juilianos is Wisdom

Stendarr is Mercy

The'yre too busy running the world to order every mortal they meet too do a menial task for them.

The Divines work in the Larger scheme of things, they are the ones who set up destinies.

Nerevarine, the Champion of Cyrodil, Dragonborn.

Meridia, who the Auroran's are servents of, is life force and so she represents life itself; As such to her necromancy is an abomination. However the Auroran also are responsible for some rather brutal acts as well.

The http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Shivering:Golden_Saint also do not look Demonic, you should have a look at them too. Their counter park the http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Shivering:Dark_Seducer look more demonic but tend to be more good then the Aureal. Both are Guards within Sheogorath's realm where Mortals inflicted with insanity are permitted to live. Sheogorath rarely shows it but he does care about the mortal inhabitants of his realm and as such crimes like theft and murder are illegal in the shivering isles.



No, Oblivion is the SAME dimension, Nirn is just not effected by the rest of Oblivion because of the power of the Aedra, primarily the 8 Divines, also the 9th Divine Talos who is not an Aedra.

And every Daedric Prince's little chunk of oblivion reflects their own "personalities",or concepts.

Such as the Shivering Isles of Sheogorath and the Hunting Grounds of Hircine.

Mehrunes Dagons plane of Oblivion sure is likend too hell.

Molag Bal,and Boethiahs even more so I suspect.

I think Bethesda intentionally doesn't explain this stuff in order o make it seem more transcidental.

Omg headache headache ! this is extremely confusing....

How i wished if Bethesda could have made a simple lore of the gods... :banghead:

Molag Bal is the king of raep so... His realm would be....um...

This is really better fit for the people in the lore section.

I'll answer the best I can But if you're interested in going in-depth into lore, I suggest asking around the Lore forum, or checking out http://www.imperial-library.info/ (you'll probably get pointed there eventually anyways)

Firstly to clarify, the terms Aedra and Daedra don't refer to those worshiped as gods. The Aedra gods are the ones you hear in-game being referred to as the 'Eight Divines', while the Daedra counterparts are the 'Daedric Princes'. So a Fire Atronarch is still a Daedra.

Anyways! Here's how I (sort of) understand it: The Aedra and Daedra are both 'spirits' in a sense. Not in the ghost-way, but in the supernatural-beings way... if that makes sense. Both were immortal at one point, until Lorkhan had some them help create the mortal realm (called Mundus), which resulted in them becoming bound to it. Those beings are the Aedra. The most powerful ones became the Divines, while the less powerful ones became the world (called Nirn) and the spirits of living creatures.

The Daedra are the spirits that did not take part in the creation of the mortal realm, and are still immortal.

Oblivion refers to the realms outside of the Mortal Realm, where the Daedra live. In the previous game, the Oblivion gates the player went through led to Mehrune Dagon's realm, which was that lovely hellish lava pit. If you played the expansions, the Shivering Isles are also a realm of Oblivion. The different realms are shaped by the Daedric Prince that rules it.

Hope that helped a bit! And that I didn't just confuse you more

Helped alot, you could go further explaining it for me.. because it didn't confused me.

Most of them are more complex then Good/bad. Take Sheogorath for example. He's completely mad, but he is a little bit of both "good" and "bad". Many don't like mortals, but some are none hostile and appear good. They all have their own powers and influences.

Long story short. They have amazing power, and they do what ever the hell they want with it, and sometimes what they do appear evil to mortals. Sometimes not.

Yep... :cryvaultboy:

I'll try and explain it from the start then. There are multiple creation stories in the TES series, however this is formed from the most mainstreamed ones.

Originally there is only the void, and within this void there is two brothers, Anu and Padomay (AKA Sithis). Padomay who represents change and Anu that represent statis are responsible for all of creation, from the void they create Oblivion and Aetherius.

Due to Padomay's influence of change spirits start to inhabit Oblivion but they're unable to do anything as time does not actually exist yet, it is not until one of these spirits, Akatosh achieves godhood that time is born (Akatosh is time itself) and his influence affects all of Oblivion. From Akatosh's power many other great spirits are able to transcend from their spiritual forms into gods (the Aedra and Deadra lords/princes). Each of these gods that transcend in this way form plane(t)s/realms of their own. Some have just one, others have many thousands of planets. Sheogorath for example has the realm of the Shivering Isles. Each of these planets expand Oblivion. Lesser spirits unable to transcend either become servants of the Aedra/Deadra lords or continue to roam oblivion hoping to achieve godhood themselves.

Padomay creates himself a son called Lorkhan, Lorkhan then starts coming up with a grand vision of a great planet(Nirn)/mortal realm and draws the attention of some of the gods and spirits into his vision. From Lorkhan's visions, Magnus creates plans for this great planet and the gods and spirits that Lorkhan has allied with get together, all of this gods and spirits are the Aedra. They all start pouring their power into the creation of this grand planet, not knowing that Lorkhan's plan will weaken or possibly even kill them; Lorkhan however seems to be aware of this as he himself plunges all of his power into the creation of this great planet and his heart falls to his creation, Nirn. Many of the Aedra withdraw when they realize Lorkhan's deception but for many it is already too late, they have lost too much of their divinity and they become mortal, separated from the spirit planes of oblivion.

Magnus withdrew first and fled to Aetherius, when he did this he tore a hole in the fabric of space where the light of Aetherius pours into Oblivion from (this forms the sun). On seeing their father flee before the creation of Nirn was complete the Magna Ge (children of Magnus) followed their father, each creating smaller holes which became the stars. The Remaining Aedra that managed to hold on to their divinity/immortality became unable to interact with Oblivion or Nirn but were able to act as a barrier, limiting the influence of the Deadric lords on Nirn. The most notable of these are Lorkhan and the 8 Divine, only two of the Aedra have ever been able to walk on Nirn, those being Lorkhan and Akatosh. Some of the Deadra Lords at some point have been able to walk on Nirn but were banished either by the Aedra or their champions.

The plane(t) gods and spirits that did not partake in this creation of Nirn are the Deadra.

The realm* that Nirn exists in is called Mundas and the Deadra are unable to enter Mundas freely, tho they have some limited power to interact with Mundas.

*not to be confused with Dimension, Nirn and Mundas exist within Oblivion.

Well no one ever says Azura or Meridia are good it just says "She is one of the few to not be considered Wholly Evil". But most are completely indifferent, they really don't look at it as good/evil or morale/immoral.