Yes, there is a connection: The Night Mother IS Mephala; she's pulling a fast one on his gullible little wayward minions.

Forgive me if I seem harsh, but your arguement doesn't pan out because you forgot something very important...the Dark Brotherhood itself is frowned upon. In fact, their existence breaks the laws of the Empire. They're supposed to be hunted and brought to justice.

Why would they give a [censored] about what the Empire thinks about them worhsipping Mephala when worshipping someone else wouldn't make a darn bit of difference?

In my opinon, the only reason there are differences in Morrowind and Oblivion is because the dev team didn't do a good job panning out the DB in Oblivion. That's it. Plain and simple.

Think about who you're talking about here: She's an Et'ada; a Daedric Prince. What is limiting him from being all the "night mothers"?

The one in Morrowind could not be Mephala; she went down far too easily and Mephala's own followers order to have her killed. The one who's corpse lies under Bravil cannot be Mephala, because she died.

:facepalm:

Not quite understanding the concept of Daedric Prince, are we?

This is Mephala we're talking about. The Prince of Plots. The Webspinner. The one that sends you to a peaceful hamlet of nords and dunmer to forment animosity between them that didn't exist before for his own entertainment. She could have planned to be "killed" all along by her own followers as part of the whole scheme to have both his little bands of beloved followers murder each other. Daedra also take whatever physical form they wish, seeing that they are, at the core, abstract entities. If he wanted, she could take the form of a "dead" old crone.

Granted, when looking logically, it fails to prove she's Mephala, but it also just as much fails to prove he isn't. In a way, the ambiguity of the Night Mother's true identity is pretty strong evidence that it's Mephala, because the whole little scheme is right up the Webspinner's alley.

They're a secretive organization anyway, so they're hiding the fact that they worship Mephala from themselves?

Frowned upon? They aren't really. They're useful. They don't give a date I don't think, but the book on them says,

"In a remarkable syncroncity at a time when the Arena was a fractured land, the Morag Tong was outlawed throughout the continent. Every sovereign gave the cult's elimination his highest priority. Nothing more was officially heard of them for a hundred years. "

Then of course the organization is off the radar, and they reappear as the Dark Brotherhood in the second era.

"The important distinction between the Dark Brotherhood and the Morag Tong was that the Brotherhood was a business as much as a cult. Rulers and wealthy merchants now used the order as an assassin's guild. The Brotherhood gained the obvious benefits of a profitable enterprise, as well as the secondary benefit that no longer could rulers actively persecute them. They were needed. Even an extremely virtuous leader would be unwise to maltreat the Brotherhood."

We're in business! Then the Colovian Emperor Potentate Savirien-Chorak and every one of his heirs was murdered on one bloody night in Sun's Dawn in 430. We find out later that Savirien-Chorak was the son of Versidue-Shaie, making him at least 450 years old. Interesting to know the snakes can live so long. That is unless they like taking the names of previous rulers without adding numbers behind them, which is inconvenient.

The empire likes them for their secular nature. I think they have a don't ask don't care thing going on. Then again the officials of the empire could just summon Mephala themselves when they need a strike if the Brotherhood is too devoted, which means less money for the Brotherhood.

Forgive me if I seem harsh, but your arguement doesn't pan out because you forgot something very important...the Dark Brotherhood itself is frowned upon. In fact, their existence breaks the laws of the Empire. They're supposed to be hunted and brought to justice.

Why would they give a [censored] about what the Empire thinks about them worhsipping Mephala when worshipping someone else wouldn't make a darn bit of difference?

In my opinon, the only reason there are differences in Morrowind and Oblivion is because the dev team didn't do a good job panning out the DB in Oblivion. That's it. Plain and simple.

This is the beauty of TES: when we (or the devs) screw up, that's it; the real challenge comes in making sense of it all.

I believe there have been many night mothers and will be many more before Lorkhan returns...

Probably the original night mother was an avatar of Mephala, and therefore it is true what the in game book says. I agree, also with Crimson about the MW night mother not being mephala.

I also agree with Narrator. Am I the only one that realized when he said Empire, he was talking about Cyrodilian culture, not so much the empire as an autonomous entity? To anyone who thinks this was an oversight on the part of the developers, I have this to say to you: The stigma attached to daedric worship during the O crisis would possibly deter candidates for membership, as well as clientelle. Think about it, man. That's why in other provinces the DB still reveres mephala but just not in the game OB. It's not laziness on the Devs' parts. The lack of Mephalite worship in the Cyrodilian DB makes things either more or less complicated depending on how deeply you look at it. As I've always said, TES is a thinking-man's game. In this case, there is a perfectly logical explanation for it, if you have the eyes to see and the ears to hear such a thing. If you simply wanna plug your ears, close your eyes, and bash the devs, then go right on ahead. It's your choice.

The one in Morrowind could not be Mephala; she went down far too easily and Mephala's own followers order to have her killed. The one who's corpse lies under Bravil cannot be Mephala, because she died.

Not really.

If the Devs screw up, retcon it.

Amen to that.

BTW, nice job addressing Mephala's gender.

The reason he/she did that was probably because Mephala, unlike other daedric princes, changes his/her gender. For example, Azura is always female and Sheogorath is always male, but Mephala will change his/her gender depending on who he/she wishes to ensnare.

The reason he/she did that was probably because Mephala, unlike other daedric princes, changes his/her gender. For example, Azura is always female and Sheogorath is always male, but Mephala will change his/her gender depending on who he/she wishes to ensnare.

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