I think the theory of the Morag Tong's worship of Vivec is just that: one author's theory. The Mephala Shrine in the Morag Tong hideout in Vivec proves that they still worship the Webspinner, and moreover the Morag Tong guy in the Thieves Guild in Skyrim says he used to "quite fervently worship" Mephala.

A woman who once mantled Mephala, I would guess.

A valid suggestion.

Without a listener and without the night mother, skyrims DB pretenders were going down Jill and deying up in contracts in the middle of a civil war, which is the times that assassins grps are most sucessful and has more businesses. Without listener and the night mother, there were noone to hear the black sacrimage.
And also wanted to bring this up, when tasked to kill Cicero, the ghost tells us theres a disturbance with the void. To me that implys that while sithis is basically nothingness, hes an aware sourse of nothingness. Its even in a book talking about creation, how the aedra had to trick sithis in changing their creations behaviors. Also quite alot of books talking abojt sithis having an active role in things.
So basically hes basically nothingness but an aware entity of nothingness?

I know it's commonly accepted that Anu is stasis and Padomay is change, but I've always felt that those two words were just mortal approximations of incomprehensible principalities that together make up 'Possibility.' To ascribe labels like 'potential' and 'resolution' limits and even weakens the concept of what they must represent. The only accurate description, then, is one that is uselessly general. I believe Sithis and Anuiel to basically be the respective consciousnesses (a hideous word, forgive me, it's late) of an incomprehensible 'Darkness' and an unquantifiable 'Light.'

I hate the whole Anu = Stasis and Padomay = Change. I find that to be more up with Sithis and Anuiel. Best to just say A&P are IS and IS NOT. Maybe going the binary route and say 1 and 0. They're supposed to be polar opposites, with their interplay creating the gray maybe.

Zero isn't the polar opposite of One, though. Negative One is.

Padomay is silence, Anu is noise. Pure Padomay is just nothing, pure Anu is just every note playing at the same time and hurting your ears. Silence mixed with noise lets only the right noises be made, creating the melody of a song/Aurbis.

But still, that's not a pair of opposites. The opposite of emission is not absence but absorption. The opposite of noise is not silence.

i agree with this 100%... this has always been my understanding it.

1 and 0 in binary, not everything. Otherwise, I'd have said infinite and zero. With binary, it's either 1 or 0, nothing else. When you throw them in a chain, you get code for numbers and such.

I am aware of binary conventions. They were brought about for the sake of simplicity and by the limitations of real-world electricity. You cannot have an absorptive electrical signal. You can only have either one that emits or one that is not present at all. One or Zero.

The Aurbis is not bound by such rules. The Aurbis is a world based on the interplay of completely antipodal forces. One and Negative One. With Zero being the Wheel in between.

I was thinking this morning.. To anyone who doesn't think that Sithis supports the DB, I have these questions:

Do you think that Sithis would allow a cult to go around and murder people in his name if he didn't support it?

If you believe that Mephala is tricking the DB into thinking they are working for Sithis, do you think that Sithis would allow a daedric prince to "impersonate" him?

I really don't think Sithis would allow either of those to happen, so I believe that Sithis the driving force of the DB. I think that the fact that Sithis allows the DB to continue to worship him is enough evidence that he supports them.

People have it in mind that Sithis is an apathetic being, which is wrong. Padhomay is. Sithis is the part of Padomay that is actually concious and capable of caring about stuff.

Eh. That's a nice opinion, one that is similar at least to an in universe idea. It's not fact though, just be wary of passing it off as such.

And Sithis doesn't need to be apathetic in order to not give a [censored] about the DB.

What is fact, in this world? It's all opinions and speculation.

Well yes, there's that. And even that which is fact may not always be so.

It's just that Sithis, if it is aware dosen't seem to do anything. Until it does I don't think I can take the brotherhood's word at face value.

I was under the impression that Sithis was just a state of non-existence...or rather that Sithis is the personification of non-existence, which means that he doesn't exist, so he doesn't care what the Dark Brotherhood does in his name because he doesn't exist. But of course, if he doesn't exist, that would mean he does and my brain now hurts and stuff.

Sithis keeps the souls of those killed; For example lucien gained eternal life this way. In addition, a "wraith of sithis" would visit the player if they broke one of the five rules.

It'd be nice to get a 100% clear answer on the matter though, but currently there's more evidence of sithis being a real thing doing real stuff, than the opposite.

I rather thought that Sithis only claimed those souls killed in his name, and that he might be trying, through the Dark Brotherhood's actions, to amass enough strength to kill the Light, Anuiel.

Now that is pure speculation, based on pretty much nothing

(What I meant with that he keeps the souls of those killed was specifically the ones related to the brotherhood's actions, in case that wasn't clear.)

Edit a million years later: Typo

But that's the thing, to me this points towards Mephala. At the very least it dosen't point to Sithis. Your belief in Sithis as an entity requires some faith in the word of the brotherhood, I don't have that.

there are examples of sithis taking action though
Lucien brought back from the void
Lucien talking about a disturbance with the void when tasked to kill cicero
The wrath of sithis
Mephala has its own domain so if it was the driving force, the souls would be going to its domain and noy the void


Where is the evidence to oppose these actions?

The theory goes that Mephala is just playing tricks with your perception, making you think that there is a Void inhabited by the oversoul of Sithis when in fact there is only her Realm.

I frown upon this theory with my Frowning Face because it is dependent on the explicit dismissal of observed evidence.

Ghosts a-plenty in Tamriel. This one isn't anything special.


Bad/vague writing.


Remember Mankar's "Paradise"?


Mephala's realm is obscured to mortal eyes. Also, it's located in the void the Oblivion.


QED