Palace Guards should be so tough, almost unkillable almost on easy. They are the elite of the elites!

Who said threads in the Lore section need to be questions? Furthermore, it took me a minute to decide if I wanted to post this in lore or general discussion. I picked lore for a reason. Details regarding all the competitors do very much delve into the lore of TES, and if you want to make any sort of accurate prediction, then knowing a fair share of lore is required. More or less, it's a discussion of the deadliest mortal, reappearing (not unique), "warrior" in the TES franchise... which, in many ways, leaves that debate open to any knowledge that comes from lore based research. All in all... You can argue it belongs in the general dicussion subject, but I'm not sure you make an argument that it does NOT belong in the lore section.

No one, that would be stupid.

I would say the Dremora, as they are servants of the Daedric Prince of Destruction. Ordinator stuck out as a close second, but I don't ever recall having too much trouble with them in Morrowind.

Does anybody remember a long time ago a huge fight in the lore forum over who was more powerful, a Hand of Almalexia or an Ansei? That was a bad disagreement.

As for Deadliest warrior, in modern Tamrielic times, easily the Hands of Almalexia, if they're still alive, but the Ansei overall.

I'm not sure if anyone is still trained in the Pankrat, but the remaining Ansei would be pretty beast. Psijics would be tough to deal with as well, due to their incredible flexibility with magic (meaning they can use something akin to mysticism to produce just about any spell imagineable). I'm not as familiar with Tongues, though I know their power is also rather dynamic. With Necromancers it would really depend on what quality we are talking about, is this a run of the mill grave robber or a serious upper level servant of Mannimarco?

Anyway, I voted for DB assassin, though in a head to head fight they might lose against more heavily armored foes. As was said earlier, it is just like with the Ninja vs. Spartan in the show- assassins wouldn't get into a one on one fight with an Ordinator. That's why they're so dangerous, not because of their skill with a blade or bow, but because of their stealth. And when their target is expecting it it really isn't fair anymore.

The Hands of Almalexia are pretty awesome as well, though they rank with Psijics and Ansei in the overpowered category. So my second pick would probably be either Ordinator or Blade, due to their combat skill and training.

I forgot about the Psijics, they are big time badass as well. Top three powers in the ES universe are definitely Ansei, Psijics and Hands. The tongues are up there too though.

No one has mentioned the Masters of the Two-Moons Dance?

They aren't memorable.

According to one account, they are among the best unarmed fighters in Tamriel.

Indeed.

Any new player in morrowind can kill a ordinator once they have decent armor and weapons. In terms of bes soldeirs, equipment shouldn't count.

and "Her Hands" are basically Ayem's harem of lovers: they are 'blessed' by gods and therefore shouldn't be able to be included in this topic.

Being good unarmed won't do ya much good if your enemies in plate armor with a spear in hand

For all we know, the Eternal Chamption, Septim's Agent, the Nerevarine, and the Champion of Cyrodiil may have all fought unarmed, and they did alright. Besides, I'm sure some unarmed move involves disarming one's opponent, and the Khajiit might be able to use their tails for some interesting techniques. :shrug:

Aye, what good is a spear when it is not in your hands anymore?

"Their armor is weak at the neck...and under the arm."

if your enemy knows where to strike armour won't do you much good :shrug:

As an assassin I'm sure you're aware it's a lot easier to hit those weak points in Legion armor when the Legionnaire isn't aware of your presence. In a one on one fight, the assassin is at a disadvantage. A notable exception is the Mythic Dawn agents and their ability to kill fully trained Blades, but this could be explained by the fact they wield weightless, conjured blunt weapons that smash through armor easily.

I don't see how they cannot be. Its never said anywhere that they are a harem. And their armor is enchanted, but that doesn't really make that much of a difference. Sure they are probably blessed but even Salas Valor, who clearly doesn't receive the blessing anymore is still an extremely powerful warrior, arguably one of the toughest NPCs in Morrrowind.

My vote goes to the Ordinators.

Because in one of my earliest characters, I got the Wrath of the Ordinator, so everytime I had a visit to good ol' Vivec City, I had to fight through them...

Other than them, Dremoras and Blades.

And yet you managed to kill them even while relativley weak. without their awesome armour and weapons, they are just a group of angry Indoril bastards.

Actually, they're the toughest guards in any game. Maces beat down on you, and they'd knock me down CONSTANTLY.

If you ever get swarmed by three or more, you're done.

Honestly I have an easier time killing Ordinators in Morrowind even at low levels than I do at killing Imperial Guards in Oblivion at low levels.

Fluff-wise, going to have to say the Ansei. Closest one we have seen is Cyrus, and even then he didn't know all the little secrets, but still kicked a hell of a lot more butt than anything up there.

I'd vote for those four, they are overpowered because when they fail, they can reload from an old save. Scripted deaths are their weakness, though.

No..they're not. Not the normal ones anyway. High Ordinators are much tougher, and Her Hands can slaughter normal Ordinators in five seconds flat.

im going with the Dremora Valkynaz. the fact that there the personal guard to Mehrunes Dagon is enough to keep me away from them. The strength and loyalty to protect dagon is another force to be reckoned with.