For those who do not know.

Sithis is the God (But he isn't a god physically nor spiritually. It goes beyond that) of the Nothingness. And he is the Diety of Change and the Embodiment of The Void.
He is one of the 2 First Gods that are basically the first Actual Gods in The Elder Scrolls World.

Anuel is the God (Just like Sithis.He is not a god Physically Nor spiritually) of Order.
He is not Realy Descripted much in the Elder Scroll Games and not much is known about him..

Ok, For those who are wondering. They are neither Daedra nor Aedra. They are actually Gods of Gods. Dietys. They exist out of Physical and Spiritual Form. They are basically equal Forces. But they are total Opposites.
Anuel and Sithis are the form for the Physical and Spiritual Deminsions in the Elder Scroll Universe. In which. The Former Aedroth Lorkhan is responsible for Nirn. The planet which the Elder Scrolls takes place on (Mostly, Oblivion is actually the moons around nirn) The Universe is actually taken place in the void. Beyond the universe (Not the Void) Lies the home of the Aedra. And Immortals. Though Aedra unlike Daedra can die. Though not in the traditional Sense.

I gave you a lot of information in that post. Though i have confirmed all of it. They're might be some mistakes somewhere in that post.

if you include your sources others might be more inclined to believe you. what w/ the sudden curiosity of these two gods?

I used obliviwiki. And used the Sithis (God) Page.
Then eventually i found Anuel Somewhere in there. But it was difficult to find him. As he's rather Blurred in description

ah, 2 very reliable sources. so what spurred you to take up studdy on them?

Ah well, I have a very good intrest in greater beings in Nirn. Since Sithis is a very big diety (Especially to the Dark BGrotherhood) I simply searched him on google. After 3 more hours i finally found the other oposite diety to him. Which even after 3 hours of searching it was pitiful on how little the information on Amuel Was. He isn't realy well known throughout Nirn i guess. He was traditionally on his short time as a Physical Being. An Aldmer. Which i think is Elder Elf but i am uncertain

so, in other words, neither of them are gods, but gods of gods? so that means jiggalag, the daedric god of order is different than Anuel. does jiggalag, being affiliated w/ order, have anything to do w/ Anuel?

Anu --> Anuiel --> Auriel/Akatosh.

Padomay --> Sithis --> Lorkhan/Shor.

Each continuation is a lesser subgradient state than the previous one, a faded image or "child," perhaps. And Anu/Anuiel and Padomay/Sithis aren't gods, or even gods of gods; they are philosophical concepts, elemental forces, etc, etc. IS versus IS-NOT. Stasis versus change.


Jyggalag is a padomaic entity with its own identity and awareness, different from both Anuiel and Sithis.

yes, i know he's different, but since Anu and Jig both clame to be w/e of w/e of order, does Jig have any affiliation w/ Anu?

No. At least, I can't imagine how there would be. For starters, the Daedra are formed from the blood of Padomay alone, meaning they have no metaphysical connection with Anu. Thus their nature is to change, but for them true creation from nothingness is impossible. Though there are similarities, to be sure. Anu/Anuiel represents stasis, whereas Jyg represents absolute predictability. But if their at-a-glance traits may be similar, the minutiae of their methods and outcomes are unequal and non-intermeshing; it'd be like watching two chess players use nearly the same tactics on two different games of chess. Jyg and Anu(iel) are on two different planes of operation, so to speak.

And besides, whereas Jyggalag is sentient and aware, Anu(iel) has no sentience, awareness, or character traits attached beyond what cultures have imagined it to have. It would be like personifying gravity, or some other force of nature.

Sithis is not one of the first two. Anu and Padomay are. Sithis is a servant of Lorkhan, who was a servant of Padomay.

u did resurch a lot i am guessing, good job :thumbsup: ! but as guy said sithis and anuel are not gods but forces.

The Aldmer are the elven race who became the Altmer, or other Elven races. From the Aldmer came the Dunmer, Falmer, Bosmer, Dwemer, Left-Handed Elves, Orcs, Khajiit, and Altmer. Some differences were philosophical, later made physical, and others were simply physical or political.

I thought that he also mightbe a form of Mephala right?....

No, they're different things. Sithis is Padomaic, but not Daedric, just as Lorkhan is.

I motion to have this thread moved to the Lore section you'd get more responses form there as well

Aye Anuiel is a very little known aspect of Order and is usually akinned among the elves for reasons I cannot recall currently, I'm unsure as to why Anueil is less popular than Sithis, especially a god who consists of nothingness and the Void.....But isnt a void Constant? nothing is there, therefore it is ordered yes? and yet it isnt. it is Chaos......but the universe Nirn Resides in is akin to a Void....and there is much in this Void....so...then it would be Chaos....but why call it nothingness?

also Jyggalag.......can be akined to Order'd Chaos beause all deadra reflect the action of ever -changing- nothing is ever constant among the Deadric princes, territories are lost and gained, some deadra reside among different affiliations where as the Aedra are constant and static. Jyggalag is far from constant. that fact the he -Destroys- his own realm to make order signifies this, and he is also an example of Change in the Realms as he was the one who was kicking the rear-ends of the other Deadra encroaching on their territories until they -Changed- him....which is hard to believe since after reading some posts in the lore forum, I along with several others deducted that Jyggalag and Sheo are naturally one and that he's just another form of change. one who is opposed to himself and still a natural form of Mania/Dementia because of his not so widely known OCD Complex....I mean seriously the guy destroys what is not order. to cause destruction to incite order is madness all on its own ^_^.



I love Elderscrolls...................

I know Juggulag is not related to Anuel. Anuel is Order and Sithis is Change. But Sithis is Negative and Anuel is Positive. I am getting this informaton right ther from Obliviwiki.

No offense but that is totally wrong. I mean. Not totally. Bt not fully either. They are something more than just forces. Or perhahps forces doesn't explain them well enough.

wait, then Khajiits are a type of elf? :blink:

http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/clanmother.shtml

They were changed by Azurah much as the Dunmer were changed by Azura.

What about Argonians then? :blink:

They come from a different strain of life entirely, whereas the other races can all be traced back to the Ehlnofey (proto-mer/men). Argonians are believed to be a form of life manipulated, or (for lack of a better word) descended from the same strain as the Hist.

http://www.imperial-library.info/fsg/brendanarticle1.shtml

So what among Aedra can be considered order? that is Anuiel's Force....but what in Mundus is actual Order?. Time is ever moving with many premutations, beauty varies in the eye of the beholder, luck is random, infact almost all aspects of the Aedra can be changed or vary....so of what in Nirn's existence is order? was this structure of order torn asunder when Lorkhan tricked the Aedra to form nirn? much Chaos was brewed then....

no thanks, I'm already on a diet-y

dude i don't know where to begin, but I know where you should begin. the sticky FAQ above this thread

Nope, they are really just forces. As has been said, they are the equivelant of gravity, but the only thing they can do is create stuff by providing two extremes to our cozy gray middle of creation. No forces does not explain them fully, they are a very abstract and complex thing. I think we need a few more good lore buffs in this thread

One thing to take away, even if you can't remember anything else about them: they are not gods, they are not sentient, and they do not think or care about anything at all. The simply exist. It's like two tree branches providing the space for a bird's nest. Except the nest was already there...bad metaphor...


EDIT: @ Jackfrost- Agreed. I think it'd be a good idea to start smaller. I'm not entirely ignorant of lore, but I still am close to clueless on these pre-gods.

not at all, He just needs to read the FAQ above. For anything else, he can read the books, instead of the wikis

here's the http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/monomyth.shtml, a good book to know

here is http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/sithis.shtml

For other sources, use the search feature in the left hand corner.