What?

I would like to point out that the reason for Oblivions lackluster... well, most things, is because of the game engine. Considering Skyrim has a new engine that was (supposedly) built from the ground up, I'd hope that those issues would have been alleviated somewhat. Still, I reckon I'll stick with your mindset of pessimism too - that way if something does go wrong it wont be too soul crushing on release.

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Oh, hell. Who am I kidding? This is Skyrim. Squeeeeee!

I mean Everything in the trailor was animated for the trailor. What we see isnt game play. Its just rendered with the game engine.

I sure hope bandits won't just do that when they see us draw the bow for another shot, they should at least put up the shield or even dodge if the can, getting behind cover and then quickly sprinting towards us is another alternative way, unless the have friends with them, then they could plan wisely and attack at the same time from different directions and not like Oblivions simple run straight stuff. However, animals don't know how a bow works and they could just go all rambo until they get hit for the first time, then they might want to retreat if there is too great a distance between you and them, given that they survive of course. Better Ai FTW, but AI is still so undeveloped on all fields, they don't really have an Ai, it's just a reaction that has been told to them, not AI. Oh well..

DaMuncha: The developers did specifically say that it is gameplay and that dragon fight actually are that epic. That's how I've understood it.

Some of that was definitely gameplay. When the player shoots the staff in the cave and when the player used the fire spell a couple times that was actual gameplay I believe.

Source to back that claim up? Because I don't believe that for one bit.

Ya I guess the dog should of dodged the arrow by rolling =(

I noticed. I http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1169144-small-things-in-the-trailer/page__view__findpost__p__17226040 about this too in "small things you noticed in trailer" topic. Here is a gif:
http://h-5.abload.de/img/theelderscrollsv_skyriymsq.gif

Couple of missing frames in the beginning, the trigger is beginning of drawing or it looks like it.

Also there is a screenshot from GI magazine showing 3 wolfs or wild dogs(I am not a canid expert.), showing different body gestures and even expressions. A dork looking one in background while a ferocious looking one closer. And none of them appear charging at us, more like examining us.

So, yes. I believe this time we will have some brilliant AI. :celebration:

ofcourse were assuming they havent seen or hear a gun before

I disagree that everyting was...
IMO there were many partys in the TRAILER that looked exacly like gameplay

'Yes, in-game. Only things not in-game are the shots of the wall from the previous trailer. Dragon fights are pretty epic' http://twitter.com/DCDeacon/status/40799803394756608

'Glad people got to finally see some Skyrim animation in this trailer. All that dragon stuff actually happens dynamically in-game.'http://twitter.com/nickbreckon/status/40798586128039936#

Just saying! :wink_smile:

Roger is actually a wolf... :biggrin:

It was impressive how he began to transition into that movement, away from the players arrow...I really don't think there was anything awkward about it, the transition animations looked very smooth and realistic, it's clear their animation technology has progressed leaps and bounds since Oblivion.

These quotes make me happy

Yeah, a LOT of people don't understand this at all. The Devs use a very deceptive way of telling the truth to mislead people. They said it was all ingame, and it is. But a lot of it was scripted and animated FOR the trailer. Pretty much ALL of the dragon fight was done in this way. The montage of things after the dragon shout is probably almost entirely gameplay, but that dragon fight bit certainly was not.

Yeah changes how you look at the trailer completely! The game looks fantastic.

Something tells me these quotes will turn out just as misleading as the Oblivion quotes.

Wolves dont generally attack people especially alone unless they are rabid.

People who claim it was all fake need to understand that the trailer has been comprised of three different parts:
1. A completely pre-rendered scene of Alduin's Wall
2. A fight with a dragon in ingame graphics
3. A montage of scenes of people doing all kinds of stuff, for example shooting a wolf

This discussion isn't about one of the first two parts, it's about the last one. And what we saw there wasn't anything we wouldn't expect from the actual gameplay. We saw finishing moves that had already been confirmed, we saw casting, bow-shooting and staff animations, we saw a guy being sneaky... that is to say, it was all pretty basic stuff, nothing special at all. These scenes are with a probability of... 93% directly from the game. Because it doesn't make sense to script this kind of stuff.

About the wolf: He's definitely not dodging the arrow. Might just be the pathgrid that made him do this.

Wolf + Arrow to Head + Dodge = Better AI
Wolf + Arrow to Head + Path-grid malfunction = nothing to see here

A special gameplay snippet would definitely not be the second one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaH53U1_5hM is an example of Oblivion wolf AI.

Before the start of the video, the wolf would have just run at him in a straight line. No wolf in Oblivion moved like the one we saw in the Skyrim trailer. Especially considering the wolf didn't start moving until the arrow was being pulled back and aimed at him. In oblivion the wolf would have keep running right at you regardless of what you were doing with your weapons.

I'm not saying it's going to be a vast improvement and I won't be expecting some amazing AI or anything but it's obviously going to be better than Oblivion.

Who's claimed it was all fake? The only thing being claimed as mostly fake is the dragon fight... because it is. A lot of people see quotes about the trailer being in-game and they take that to mean that everything they see is stuff that they can do in the game and stuff that will happen while they play. We're only pointing out the truth so people don't freak out when none of that ends up being a part of the final game.

Yeah, this women who invites you upstairs, performs 6 different activities in 2 minutes, while talking to her dog in between, then paralyzing it, then setting it on fire, is part of our remarkable Radiant AI system that sets general goals for NPCs that they want to achieve, and is not scripted at all!

Or did the opposite if they were archers or mages.

I remember one time when one fell off a high cliff trying to get distance from me, saved me alot of trouble. Had to walk all the way down to loot her though, Huuumpph! Curses to her for making me inconvenience myself to walkng down hill for a few scrolls.

well i played about 500 hours of OB and im yet to see a wolf that didnt charge straight at me. cuz they kinda did that. they went dead on like every other enemy on that game except for the archer and any one who used ranged attacks. so yeah i agree with the poster. that is new behavior and he meant awkward by ho w it was prancing and looking a little like it was floating. it looked really good tho.

Bethesda disagrees. :shrug:

That's not to say they they're always entirely truthful though.