That's assuming you have the cability to recast it. If it was a potion, and you didn't have enough for the trip, what then? Actually, auto-using potions wouldn't be that bad of an idea...


That's assuming you can kill it. It entirely depends on your condition, and the creatures you run into. Why wasn't your armor or weapon damaged? Why didn't you use up any supplies?


Have you tried? I have. It takes more than 1 second to get from Leyawiin to Cloud Ruler Temple, yet a 1-second feather potion lasted the whole trip.

Have you tried? I have. It takes more than 1 second to get from Leyawiin to Cloud Ruler Temple, yet a 1-second feather potion lasted the whole trip.

Damage health/fatigue is a cop-out, IMO.
You already know you aren't going to die, so it's not like you're in any kind of danger. And it's also not like healing Health/Stamina isn't one of the most simple tasks available.

Auto (solo player) fast travel would make sense if it were interruptible (just like sleep) by some kind of encounter or ambush. I don't mean for you to get stopped by every nix hound that wanders by the road, but there should be a chance for a significant encounter. Perhaps someone else under attack by bandits, and you could get the option to simply leave and continue traveling or to stop and help them.

If they implemented interruptible fast travel into skyrim id be fine with that, but i jus dont see how they would get that to work with an already defined world.

If they did it, they would probably have a little walking animation on the load screen that shows you getting interrupted somewhere on the map.

I don't really think it would be that difficult. Assuming the player travels by roads for most of the journey (i think that's acceptable), they could create specific waypoints where things might happen. They could easily include them into the lore as saying they're dangerous passes where bandits often ambush or something like that.

It would simply open to the player automatically riding along the path, then a noise is heard in the brush or something and the player takes control as events start to happen. After finishing the event, the player would be prompted to continue fast travel.

If they implemented interruptible fast travel into skyrim id be fine with that, but i jus dont see how they would get that to work with an already defined world.

Hmm odd, never had that issue before. Might have been a corrupted save.

That's assuming you can kill it. It entirely depends on your condition, and the creatures you run into. Why wasn't your armor or weapon damaged? Why didn't you use up any supplies?

Really? You've had troubles with creatures that walk along the roads? I haven't. Not to mention that your not supposed to run into creatures along the road and if you do it's supposed to be rare. Which, if you run along the roads in Oblivion, it's a rare encounter.

Have you tried? I have. It takes more than 1 second to get from Leyawiin to Cloud Ruler Temple, yet a 1-second feather potion lasted the whole trip.

What would be hard about it? If they're properly fast-forwarding time with pathing (as opposed to the teleport+timeskip in Oblivion), it should be reletively easy to decide that when a random encounter occurs, to place you at the appropriate point with an appropriate enemy depending on how long you had travelled.

there could be a couple glitches, such as do you have to kill all the bandits/whatever before you can continue? It would be kind of lame if you have to chase some bandit for a long distance if he flees, just so you can continue the fast travel.

I suppose you could simply click on the map marker again if there are no enemies nearby.

This is true. It's more accurate to say that spell effects will wear off immediately upon your arrival, but the game won't stop you halfway to your destination.

I dont understand why advocates of instant fast travel get so defensive in these threads, no one who doesnt like oblivions fast travel system is asking for its removal, all people want is an alternative method of fast travel, one that fits in with the world (carriages, boats, guild guides), not only does this add to the immersion for alot of people it also adds the feeling of life to the world, as you see carriages and boats and it makes sense they're there, people use them to get around the country side.

All in all i dont understand all the arguing, all that people who dont like oblivions fast travel want are alternatives, its not a case of who's right and who's wrong its all about preferences.

Then you haven't read carefully all the fast travel threads. Many don't want it available.

I dont understand why advocates of instant fast travel get so defensive in these threads, no one who doesnt like oblivions fast travel system is asking for its removal, all people want is an alternative method of fast travel, one that fits in with the world (carriages, boats, guild guides), not only does this add to the immersion for alot of people it also adds the feeling of life to the world, as you see carriages and boats and it makes sense they're there, people use them to get around the country side.

All in all i dont understand all the arguing, all that people who dont like oblivions fast travel want are alternatives, its not a case of who's right and who's wrong its all about preferences.

In the more recent threads the general concensus is that Oblivions fast travel coupled with a travel network would be the best solution to most peoples complaints.
Sure alot of people want oblivions fast travel to be toggleable but that isnt removing it in its entirety.

You should be able to gain something that is a bit over powered for your current situation, by risking your life and going into a place that is a bit high level for your current situation, or if you can survive and go into a place way beyond your current level and can return with a really over powered item, then you have earned it and should enjoy it, and it gives a lot of satisfaction to earn and use such an item or power.

But if some item, or some system mechanism, or some other situation that is quite over powered is easily available for anybody that likes to use it, then it can be quite game breaking, and would not reward much satisfaction when used more than a bunch of time and can really ruin the game for a lot of us.

Those situation should be solved.

And one such over powered power was Chameleon and Invisibility that let you dance into any dangerous place and take an item and again disappear and return, and I have a written for such a situation, but I do not have time to search for it.

It seems that I have to write my suggestion for such situations yet another time:

We - can - have - game - worlds - that - can - satisfy - any - type - of - players - and - be - suitable - for - any - character - and - player - skill - level - if - we - follow - this - simple - rule :

Make a game world with absolutely no level scaling, or very minimal form of it, but some randomization.

Make it big enough that we can have a lot of different areas suitable for any kind of characters, newbie characters, mid level characters, high level characters, and areas that are too hard even for high level characters.

Newbie areas should be suitable for newbie characters, filled with mostly low challenge and low reward situations with rare higher challenge and/or higher rewards situations.

There should be a lot of newbie places from the beginning of the game, and those areas can be connected, or have some small gaps between them that are areas a bit higher level than those newbie areas.

Mid level areas should be suitable mostly for mid level characters filled with low level to mid level challenge with occasional higher level challenges, and similar rewards, but mostly lower level rewards, with some mid level ones and a small chance of higher level rewards.

Mid level areas should also be plenty, but they could be connected or separate areas, which players could chance upon them.

There should also be higher level areas with mid to higher level challenges and low to higher level rewards, with a minimal chance of finding some real treasures there.

There should also be places that are always too dangerous for the normal players of a normal game, suitable for the persistent type that like to have challenge. Those places can be at hard to find, outlandish areas or in the depths of the most challenging dungeons, and so on...

Differentiate quests in their nominal challenge level and place them in the places most suitable for them, and this includes random quests as well.

Generally arrange quest lines especially the main quest line in a way that start in areas with lower challenge level and gradually advance toward areas that should provide more challenge and reward.

Let each player find the areas that are more suitable for his kind of game-play and would provide more satisfaction for him, so some could stick to areas that do not challenge them a lot and some could always be ahead of themselves and try to gain better gear sooner than others and frequent areas that would provide more challenge for them.

I'm sure each player find where he gains more satisfaction, and I hope there a lot of areas that are suitable for each character's game play style, so that no one would feel crammed in.

And eventually all characters grow in power and can experiment with new areas.

Really? You've had troubles with creatures that walk along the roads? I haven't. Not to mention that your not supposed to run into creatures along the road and if you do it's supposed to be rare. Which, if you run along the roads in Oblivion, it's a rare encounter.

Ah, this is what the guy meant. It's just an exploit that people found in Oblivion, like Morrowind didn't have a thousand exploits and work arounds...

That's exactly what some of them are advocating. I'm iffy about them putting in multiple ways to fast travel instead of just having the perfect one way of fast traveling but I wouldn't care if they put two ways into the game. But all you have to do is make it where fast travel can only go to cities and villages with a possibility of your fast travel being interrupted with an encounter. I think that is a good system that is better than both siltstriders and Oblivion's fast travel.

The trouble you face when you run into a creature depends on your condition. If you're low on health, with very few restore health potions, damaged equipment, etc, yeah, you can have a lot of trouble. That's also assuming you're on a road, and not going through wilderness areas (many fast travel locations require you to go off the beaten path), especially if the distance/time calculation is based on direct-line routes.

PS. Please don't inline responses into my quote. It makes spotting the response and quoting it difficult.

Right, but should they not be fixed? Especially since it can happen to people unawares, causing them to exploit the game unintentionally.

But see the prefect fast travel system is completely subjective, you think fast traveling to just cities is the perfect system, but for me personally that is still just the same as oblivions fast travel system, but with random encounters. Honestly my perfect fast travel system is the travel networks but only available on a set schedule (i realize very few people would like this though), but thats just me, because perfection is subjective.
Thats why i feel implementing both is the way to go as its making sure the largest number of people have an enjoyable gaming experiance without negitively affecting anyone elses enjoyment :shrug:

I was just against people saying that fast travel needed to be eliminated in favor of the travel networks which I find tedious and annoying and would rather just ride my horse around the world than use the travel networks. Fast travel just needed to be improved which it was in Fallout and I'm sure it will be even more improved in Skyrim. Now if you have both that's fine but I probably won't be using either most of the time unless my destination is on the other side of the province and then I would fast travel to the city on the other side and then ride the rest of the way. That's my perfect immersion. I just use fast travel to close the distance on trips that would be like 20 min runs from one side of the province to the other (e.g Anvil to Cheydinhal)

But if you think about it, getting attacked every time when you fast travel doesn't make sense either. I mean, villagers take the roads all the time and don't get attacked and slaughtered, the world, real or fantasy, doesn't have a danger behind every rock and bush and have these vicious blood thirsty animals just ready to pounce on you and tear you apart.

I just use fast travel to close the distance on trips that would be like 20 min runs from one side of the province to the other (e.g Anvil to Cheydinhal)

To be fair Fallout 3's system wasnt "improved" it was exactly the same system, they just didnt have initial map markers.
It still had all the things people find flawed with oblivions system (because they are the same system).