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You tell it...I'm about up to my eyebrows with the people who, when offered alternatives with in-game explanations, behave as if I'm demanding removal of any and all possible methods of fast travel. And then act like I'm the one trying to limit people when at best, they're doing the exact same thing by demanding the same functionality, only with their preferred explanations. :shrug: I don't see how being able to accomplish the same thing- getting somewhere without walking the entire distance after you've been there the first time- is somehow different to, or more offensive than, getting somewhere without walking the entire distance after you've been there the first time.

It's why I pretty much give up on it, had enough of this: :wallbash:

I think that made sense in the context. Cyrodiil is the home of the empire, and what is an empire without roads? I would expect the roads in such a place to be very well guarded. I think Vvardenfell was the contextual opposite of that. It was a dangerous province with no effective central ruling system. The roads offered little protection from the wildlife, and that's just the places that actually had roads (mostly just around the western, southwestern, and southern areas, and a little in the eastern grazelands. Otherwise there were no roads in much of the area.

As for Skyrim, especially considering the state of the empire I don't think that the general safety of the roads should be up to par of Cyrodiil during the Oblivion crisis. Its environment is hostile by nature, and I can't imagine the home of the nords as being anything but dangerous. Surely no soft land would raise a culture or people like the nords.

I know exactly what you mean, i just think if i explain it enough times people might just get it... Or maybe im a bit of a masochist... Either way, i have trouble leaving it alone. :shrug:

What it will all boil down to is, the developers will put in whatever system they want to, and we will have to deal with it. Either the player will use it or they won't, it will be their choice. And if someone does not like the option, I am certain someone will make a mod that will do what they want for fast travel. That is what the "construction set" is for, making the game to suit each player wants for their playing style and enjoyment.

I don't see how having fast travel ruins immersion. Maybe Oblivion's no complications system does. But a fast travel system, similar to Oblivions, that gives options for staying in inns, camping out, traveling by foot or by horse, cautiously or recklessly, creating variables for encounters to me in no way breaks immersion. To me, it adds to it. Especially if you are limited to places you've either explored or have been marked on your map by an npc if they know where said location is. To me it is kind of like reading a good book.

Hell if I had fast travel in real life, damn sure I'd be using it.

That's my 2.5 cents (inflation).

Fast travel will be balanced toward the needs and desires of those who use it. So right off all your ideas are void.

Fast travel in skyrim will most likely be different from fast travel systems they used before.. how so we dont know and very likely they dont either.. yet. But again it will be geared to those who use it so it still does what fast travel was made to do.

Rest assured, core mechanics such as these are long since set in stone.

Wait, wait wait. You want realism with the fast travel, but are advocating an instant-teleport-to-city-from-anywhere system? That just doesn't add up.

im hoping that skyrim is moddable cause i might learn how to make a simple menu that charges me money when i use fast travel to simulate daggerfalls style. ill just pretend that im paying the mages guild to teleport me somewhere. maybe ill even make some weird looking stone into an activator. i hope its not hard to do.

oblivions fast travel is just lazy. it makes the game world smaller and is no different than entering coc into the console. even other game developers out there recognize the sheer laziness of the system. the witcher makes you go to portals, two worlds 2 makes you walk between teleports, so does dragon knight saga (good game by the way i wish i had gotten it earlier) dragon age origins makes you go across a map and you have random encounters. in fact besides bethesdas oblivion and the fallout games most other games dont have the instant anywhere travel system. you usually have to use some sort of ingame device. hell WoW which is supposedly the bastion of noob players now makes you use real time travelling to get from point to point. although that method would svck for a single player game unless you could have the option of skipping it.

Maybe fast travel would work if you could only travel to the last location you visited, a bit like mark/recall, and then have a travel service for everywhere else.