The "don't like it? Don't use it," argument is fundamentally flawed. If that feature is being implemented in the game, then, clearly, the game will be built around using that feature.

Take a look at Oblivion's fast travel: a lot of people hated it, and a lot of people who loved it said "Then don't use it!" This causes problems because Oblivion is built around using fast travel. It's difficult to get anywhere in the world without fast travel. In Morrowind, there were in-game, lore-friendly ways to traverse the map such as boats 'n such.

If I know that feature is there, yet I CHOOSE not to use it, it defeats the whole purpose of the game being an interesting challenge. It's not a "make your own custom adventure" what the heck is the point in that?........Fallout 3 with swords and magic.

By choosing not to use an easy feature you are making the more of an interesting challenge arnt you?! It's a very open expansive RPG it is by it very nature a "make your custom adventure" and I was waiting for this fallout was oblivion with guns now skyrims fallout with swords...gmab have some self control it's a game and one you no little about at that...

people request that fast travel is taken for various reasons. first, it is not immersive and is not realistic 9because you never encounter enemies) second it has been implemented because of the poor desing of the game world making it hard to travel from cities to cities to be near everything. if they would have placed cities and villages wisely then the need for that fast travel system would not be needed. the fact that we could travel with caravan in all those cities and village would put us near every quest destinations.

I like your point about enemies I would like to fight some I dont wish to never fight in the game, it does seem like alot of people dont wish to fight at all I've talked alot on threads about that. I would like to fight but not evrything should attack you but there needs to be fighting. It would also be a massive task to put everything on here in the forums in an Elder Scrolls title. Alot of people I've pvssyd with want balance in this entry I would like that too.

The "don't like it? Don't use it," argument is fundamentally flawed. If that feature is being implemented in the game, then, clearly, the game will be built around using that feature.

Take a look at Oblivion's fast travel: a lot of people hated it, and a lot of people who loved it said "Then don't use it!" This causes problems because Oblivion is built around using fast travel. It's difficult to get anywhere in the world without fast travel. In Morrowind, there were in-game, lore-friendly ways to traverse the map such as boats 'n such.

Intervention scrolls as well as mark and recall could warp us to safety and mark and recall alone is like fast travel you choose where they are, you should also be able to place three to fives mark spells then recall yourself to the markled location.

No what you have to understand is that the game has to be a challenge as you try to be strong without having to ignore stuff. you never have this sense if you have the easy always nearby waiting for you to take it. its just boring to try to be strong when you know you could be stronger if you just used that flawed element of gameplay

@Ratwar wut?

Yes and not to mention alot of people don't realize that the relative gameplay time of a character that finishes all the content in Morrowind (without expansions) and Oblivion (without expansions) are about the same, if not a little bit more with Oblivion and Oblivion has fast travel. What does that say about Oblivion? If you had a siltstrider network, then Oblivion would be like 3-4 times longer than Morrowind. Fast travel was needed in Oblivion though it could use a tone down in Skyrim like only being able to fast travel to Cities or Villages. But people just can't say, well fast travel made the game too easy and blah blah blah. NO, it made the game not have to have 40 hours of needless walking back and forth across all of Cyrodiil and more of actually playing the game. I didn't have any trouble exploring with fast travel, I mean I still had to run to X cave in the woods and run by Daedric shrines and camps. But fast travel toned down will allow for the ease of travel to reduce needless backtracking like in Morrowind and allow for a more exploring aspect. So yes, I totally agree with your assessment.



This is completely right. I know that what ruined Oblivion for alot of people is they spent all their time looking for things to compare Oblivion to Morrowind and when they found things that were missing from Morrowind in the game it made them angry for no reason and so their only memories of the game were trying to compare them and they tie their gameplay experience in Oblivion to the disappointment/anger they had thus spoiling a good game for them. When I play a game, I play them for the game they are and then when I'm finished I compare them, that way I don't break immersion into the game by wasting my time and concentration on comparisons.

The problem is much of the time it really does fall into the title of "lack of self control."

When people ask for options it doesn't bother me. When people want to exclude an option entirely all because they personally don't want it, such as fast travel, then just have to shake my head.

If you read the GI article, it says that creatures react differently to your presence, not all monsters spring to attack you. I think this feature is exactly what people were looking for.

The other issue with Oblivion is that there was simply nothing to see. Everything was detail groups and height-maps, every stretch of forest was the same as the last. Walking to your destination can be fun as long as there's stuff to do and see along the way.

And fast travel effects this how? I like to save at my house before I turn off I don't have 15 mins spare to get back it's nice to be able to do both, if U read all my posts I'd said skills should be balanced.

No what you have to understand is that the game has to be a challenge as you try to be strong without having to ignore stuff. you never have this sense if you have the easy always nearby waiting for you to take it. its just boring to try to be strong when you know you could be stronger if you just used that flawed element of gameplay

@Ratwar wut?

Mark and Recall?

@Ratwar wut?

Mark and Recall?

@Sleing Fast travel is not irealist because of time its irrealist because you get to walk somewhere and nothing seem to have happend if you did it on foot for real you would encounter like a thousand bandits. slitstrider made it realistic because no one would attack a damn slit strider.

the elder scrolls always had fast travel, some people who complained about instant fast travel in oblivion didnt like it because you just click and your there, it didnt really make sense, most people preferred the morrowind fast travel system more then oblivions because it made more sense. for me? as i said before, dont really mind if it will be instant fast travel again or other features people really complained about, i just want to focus on what skyrim is going to offer because i know it will be a great improvement

I have yet to recieve my Gameinformer as of right now but thanks for the news!

I don't see any problem with fast travel, i did prefer MW way of handling things but I still use fast travel in OB mainly when tired and can't be bothered. it can come in handy sometimes.
Maybe you should change the thread name to the don't want it mod it argument

-Oblivion Fast Travel most people agree its not good: