http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Talos#Talos

It had just occured to me. And with the new developments concerning the worship of Talos in Skyrim that have been reported, this would create an interesting scenario to say the least.

It is possible that as Dragon-Born you are merely a relative of Tiber Septim- nonetheless, this would also be of interest as it would mean that you would be rightful heir over the Empire.

Some interesting things to think about before Skyrim releases, at least.

No. Talos doesn't reincarnate. He shows up wherever he wants. He showed up in Morrowind, you may recall.

The player isn't a descendant, either. That line is truly ended. The player is new.

It all takes me back, a bit, to the Nerevarine.

It's been suspected that the player in Morrowind wasn't a reincarnation. He was just a useful sod that Azura picked for the job.

It's doubtful. But at least the reincarnation in Morrowind was explicit. Here what is explicit is simply that the player is Dragonborn, not that he's someone else.

There is the line from Jauffre, just after Martin dies, when he says of Martin something like "He truly was dragon-born."

So while the Dovakhiin may not be related to the Septims, there's some kind of connection. The Amulet of Kings was destroyed though, so no heading down to Cyrodiil and becoming emperor.

I figure you won't get to be emporer or anything of that sort.

But the Dragon Borns are a specific line to my understanding- at the start of Oblivion Baurus talks about the Dragon Blood of the royal line.

Jauffre calling him a dragon-born was probably more of a misconception than anything. More likely it was a reference to the dragon-blood that supposedly is thought to have resided in the Septim line by the common people.

In any case the Dovahkiin is an unique dragon-born in any case.

Might be kind of cool to find out we are mantling Talos or Shor. Would explain where we disappear off to for the next game. I can hear the rumors now.

"You know that Dovahkiin feller? I hear he turned into one of them divines after he swallowed up that big ole dragon god thingamajigger.."

Yeah. Maybe Martin had some fun in his youth and there are some illegitimate children running around.

I believe it was said that there are(were) multiple bloodlines and that you are the last from your bloodline. It has been made clear that this is not the Septim bloodline.

Ahhh I see. But that statement also kind of veils that while you are the last of *your* bloodline, there may still be other bloodlines that exist.

Being Dragonborn has nothing to do with bloodline. Its not a hereditary thing. Tiber may have been Dragonborn, but none of his heirs were (and even then 99% of the Septim line was from his brother) unless the God's so decided to reincarnate the soul of a dragon into one of the other Septims.

Well, Uriel Septim had visions because of his Dragon Blood, And Martin was able to transform into a dragon-avatar of Akatosh at the end of the main quests. That all seems a bit dragonish to me!

Possibly. A lot of the official talk has suggested that you are the last of the dragonborn but I don't think they ever came right out and said it. I think there was some talk of "others" using the voice so that could mean any number of things. Probably just referring to dragons and the greybeards.

I'd assumed Shezzarine (an even more dangerous Prisoner to be around than Nerevarine, I expect). But that may just be wishful thinking and a little Morrowind-nostalgia.

Again, this may have as much to do with their own natures/souls as their ancestry; I'd like to see them explained at some point, but they strike me as the kind of thing that would serve better as mystery-fodder. (Besides, it gives us something to argue about!)

Unless there's some big reveal in Skyrim; just hedging my bets, there.

Edit: it just occurred to me (bit slow today) that their talents may have derived from the role they fulfilled: they weren't descended from Tiber, but they were heirs to his throne, and each the subject of intense attention (arguably moreso than your average continent-dominating monarch). In a world where the mythic-defining-reality is business as usual, that's the simplest explanation I can reach.

Because of his dargon blood? I don't think so, his blood has nothing to do with it. As some will point out, dragon blood and dragonborn are not the same thing.

Hmm. I believe Shezzar is a Cyrodilic cultural re-identification of Lorkhan.

Either way, I expect Talos may play a role in this, as he had walked the path of dragon born before you.

Its all just Sheogorath playin' around. You know how he is. ALL of these characters were Sheogorath. XD

While I'm sure this is true it seems like you can't be dragon born unless you have dragon blood!

Talos is a mix match of three individuals combined into one person, Talos didn't walk the path of the dragonborn, the dragonborn was just part of this trinity.

Edit: Sozerius: Dragonborn means born with the soul of a dragon. Soul's are reincarnated and have nothing to do with ones blood. There is a theory out there connecting Remen/Alessia/Tiber through mythic dragon blood and refers to the blood of a dragon in that sense. Not a biological one.

I see. Why all the talk about bloodlines regarding the dragonborns then? Perhaps the soul effects the blood.

Where are you seeing Talos as being three different people?

http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Talos

This just says Tiber Septim.

Edit: It seems to me that Tiber Septim, since his ascension, has been secretly working on Mundus in various humanoid forms with differing names. But thats not to say that they aren't all Tiber Septim.

Actually- I'm seeing a few similarities here.

Tiber Septim appears as "Wulf" in Morrowind.

http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Wulf

He is Talos- and the Nords call Talos Ysmir. One of Ysmir's identities is Wulfharth.

http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Wulfharth

While they appear to be different people- for some reason Tiber Septim takes on his name.

http://www.imperial-library.info/content/morrowind-arcturian-heresy

Time to read up on the heresy, sozerius. Also, stop referencing the skyrim wiki. It's even worse than the UESP in terms of the amount of BS, crap, wrong-headedness, and make-believe that's been posted there.

Never..ever..site a wiki as a source. They can be edited by anyone who can type and don't always contain correct information.

http://http://www.imperial-library.info/content/morrowind-arcturian-heresy This theory has gained some meat as being true with Skyrim.

damn, Ninjad by Darth :toughninja:

I'm reading it.

"Leading his forces was Hjalti Early-Beard. Hjalti was from the island kingdom of Alcaire, in High Rock, and would become Tiber Septim, the First Emperor of Tamriel."

I've been hearing about this Hjalti lately. I'm glad to finally understand who he is! That adds even more names to the Tiber Septim bussiness. I guess he likes to switch it up every now and then.