The Dragon War, documented

Post » Wed May 02, 2012 9:12 am

Who wouldn't want to be an immortal flying dragon?
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Post » Wed May 02, 2012 8:29 am

Oh mah spehs-gahd, Atmora and Aldmeris are the same thing.

Stop the presses.
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Post » Wed May 02, 2012 11:29 am

I thought about that when I read Topal the Pilot. He we going northwest. I like to think that "Aldmeris" sunk when the Ehlnofey had their petty little war. Or that Alinor is half of Aldmeris, and the other half is in the water. You get what I'm saying.
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Post » Wed May 02, 2012 10:30 am

Even more squee-worthy: If this is the case, then the war of the Ehlnofey was a war fought entirely by dragons against each other. You're welcome.

Oh mah spehs-gahd, Atmora and Aldmeris are the same thing. Stop the presses.

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Post » Wed May 02, 2012 8:14 am

Aldmeris was actually metaphorical for Dawn-Era Tamriel according to the Nu-Mantia Intercept. Judging about how the wars were devastating enough to sink all of the Hist's empire except for Black Marsh, I always assumed there was one supercontinent that was broken into the continents by the Ehlnofex wars, So Atmora was indeed Aldmeris. At least for a few millenia or seconds.
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Post » Wed May 02, 2012 9:41 pm

YS - seek
GRA - battle
MOR - glory

FItting I believe.
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Post » Wed May 02, 2012 9:03 pm

Aldmeris would be the place where the Aldmer developed. A relatively small area. Some Ehlnofey tucked themselves away and lived in peace. When they were found by the rest of the Ehlnofey, it started the war. So Aldmeris should be smaller than a continent. I imagine it as more of a collection of cities in a pretty small area (the size of a province possibly).
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Post » Wed May 02, 2012 5:41 pm

A diffuse effulgence - a keening shrieked roar - coils and coils of snares and snares - a shimmering bulk in the sky - brilliant scales slick with goniochromism - copper-tang on the tongue - a hundred wings shattering! sound!! and light!!!


UNCLE. flicker flicker blink shut blink FLASH. You bore the poor mortals. What, come to tell of their history, and spoken in riddles and question-leads? KRUZIIK MEY UNSLAAD. And leading them to what they clearly already know! flare snap shimmer. Why ease the blow? They have already accepted that they are but grubs, squirming in arrested metamorphosis forever. Let them know the fullness of Truth.

MORTALS. You gathered to know of the ancient overthrow of the dovah, of its why and how and wherefore? It is quite simple. Ysgramor Fahliil-Naake fled the panting frost maw of the north from necessity, for the lives of the fresh and half-incubated. Too deep, too quick, too harsh had the claw-gashes pierced; what once was the Well fountained into Deluge, and the crag-lands crusted in ice, too fierce and perilous for any not yet of the Dov. Their blood remembers this flight, and the ichor that caused it, to this day, in this land to which they fled. They found the fahliilod, and blood and battle ruled their lives; Ysgramor's maw dripped blue-black for aeons. But when they had at last stamped their names anew on the land in Voice and fist, and turned to wahlaan, to rebuilding - then they found their sorrow anew.

flash flutter flicker zap!

They were frozen. They could not grow. Of the mortals, the pale-skinned Nords, as you would call them, none remembered that they could grow, that they could change - at least not that they could tell. Their bones knew, though, yearned for the metamorphosis they could no longer make, and chafed at the glory and power of the dovah above them. Even the eight dovhahdrim that had come across the seas lost themselves; they fell into sorrow, madness, and tyranny under the sorrow-yoke of their eternal cusp. And in this land of sorrow and separation where the dov could not grow, is it any surprise that they were eventually overthrown? That it was Alduin and his cadre against whom the kendoval muz fought is only incidental; any dovah would have done the same, to such ungrateful subjects, to mortals who could not even remember whence sprang their resentments.

So. You overthrew your overlords; you threw off long millenia of aspiration and instead forced the tragedy of your eternal mortality down the throats of dovah in their own Voice. And you were successful; the dov dwindled, and even Alduin himself choked on your bitter cup.

The Elves were wrong. Creation is not sub-gradient.

We are the et'ada. We become what we know ourselves to be.

Dovah is the shadow-form of the ascended et'ada, bordering on Anuic union.
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Post » Wed May 02, 2012 8:23 pm

Delightful, as always, briinahqo, my scintillating little sister. (A sound like stones scraping in a grating dusty grind; the vast maw gapes, filled with dull fangs, fuzzy with fungi; the dragon chuckles, in dry, bone-humming humor.) And pharisaic as ever. Zu'u rotnok, ko sahlosiiv pro? How else, in this time, to bring out the scattered, soul-swallowed droplets from their hearts? Only they can sieve the sludge of their souls for the shards of vintaasos in the rough.

Kahkulaaslozh! The Fundatrix, the Original-Awakened, is just one more of the dov? Krosis pogaas! Did he not stay in those emerald-iced mountains, in terror and desperation nigh unto madness, long after vezhofahliil, the Elf-Black-Maw and his flesh-winged-wood-winged host had fled? Delving and delving and delving for the buried Spring, futile and frost-mad! Krosis motaad! The Sharmat and his Endeavor may both be buried in my yuvonhahnu, but neither has passed.
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Post » Wed May 02, 2012 7:07 pm

Aldmeris was actually metaphorical for Dawn-Era Tamriel according to the Nu-Mantia Intercept. Judging about how the wars were devastating enough to sink all of the Hist's empire except for Black Marsh, I always assumed there was one supercontinent that was broken into the continents by the Ehlnofex wars, So Atmora was indeed Aldmeris. At least for a few millenia or seconds.
I really hate all this supercontinent, War of the Hist stuff. It injects bad fantasy mythology into my Elder Scrolls.

Five Worlds of Creation is obviously a reference to the collaborative Mundus, and the more 'historical' details that can folded into the mythology of the Dawn and Convention, the better.
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Post » Wed May 02, 2012 8:33 am

I really hate all this supercontinent, War of the Hist stuff. It injects bad fantasy mythology into my Elder Scrolls.

Five Worlds of Creation is obviously a reference to the collaborative Mundus, and the more 'historical' details that can folded into the mythology of the Dawn and Convention, the better.

I thought it was Twelve Worlds of Creation? Also, what's wrong with continental-shattering? I'm personally in the "the shattering of aldmeris is a metaphor for the division of the Ehlnofey" camp, but I love me some cataclysmic tectonic upheaval. If, however, it's literal, well.. Yokuda sank, why not Aldmeris?
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Post » Wed May 02, 2012 3:59 pm

The Sharmat and his Endeavor may both be buried in my yuvonhahnu, but neither has passed.

Wait-wait-wait... What? Does this refer to our-dear-friend-Voryn, or is Sharmat applicable to other figures? I can't tell if Yuvonhahnu (golden dream) refers to him, or to the dawn era, or something else entirely.

My mind's blown, in any event.
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Post » Wed May 02, 2012 10:08 pm

Wait-wait-wait... What? Does this refer to our-dear-friend-Voryn, or is Sharmat applicable to other figures? I can't tell if Yuvonhahnu (golden dream) refers to him, or to the dawn era, or something else entirely.

"Sithis" (the book) definitely, by way of anology, ties the Sharmat to Auri-El. I have always taken 'Sharmat' as the 'negative' (perhaps 'static' or 'stagnant' is a better word) pole of the Two-Headed Ruling King, either Nerevar/Dagoth or Lork/Aka.
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Post » Wed May 02, 2012 8:02 pm

I thought it was Twelve Worlds of Creation? Also, what's wrong with continental-shattering? I'm personally in the "the shattering of aldmeris is a metaphor for the division of the Ehlnofey" camp, but I love me some cataclysmic tectonic upheaval. If, however, it's literal, well.. Yokuda sank, why not Aldmeris?
Yeah, 12 worlds, oops. Guess how many years it's been since I've read that book. :tongue:

I don't know why I dislike cataclysms. Whatever the reason is, it doesn't extend to Yokuda. Totally down with that one.

Edit: Possibly because the death of a continent is an inconceivable big deal and it never gets its fair due. It's also never depicted in any non-cop-out way, and I have a hard time imagining it as an interesting event. I get turned off by historical occurrences that are too sweeping and epic in general. They go beyond any sense of narrative meaning or personal significance to characters.
Yokuda, on the other hand, is partially still there, and its disappearance is the entire impetus behind Redguard history and social organization. There's the Ra Gada, the Warrior Wave that Made Way. It's the vital part of who they are. So it means something. And nuclear sword, how [censored] awesome (in small doses).
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Post » Wed May 02, 2012 5:49 pm

Yokuda, on the other hand, is partially still there, and its disappearance is the entire impetus behind Redguard history and social organization. There's the Ra Gada, the Warrior Wave that Made Way.
So is Atmora. It is also partially still here (frozen), and there was atmorans (500 companions, also some kind of a "warrior wave"), and they also made their way.
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Post » Wed May 02, 2012 8:24 pm

They made their way with Giants and Thu'um. That's why it's cooler.
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Post » Wed May 02, 2012 2:28 pm

They made their way with Giants and Thu'um. That's why it's cooler.

Well, the Yokudans Made Way with sword techniques that could destroy nations.
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Post » Wed May 02, 2012 8:05 am

Nuclear explosions are massive yes, but they're not as cool. Nothing is as cool as telling the laws of nature to bend over, and then ramming them.


... and wasn't the nuclear sword technique lost?
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Post » Wed May 02, 2012 1:20 pm

[A dragon in the sky, thundering to the ground: enormous, looming, its hide like dull rubies webbed in hoar frost: massive-mawed, its bared teeth like etched ivory scythes, row upon row in shear-pointed choir. Its flailing crimson tongue whips out these words.]

You're both [censored] boring as [censored], so shut up 'cause NOW I AM TALKING. And I'm going to KEEP talking until that delectable little Elk gets back and then I'll pause for lunch, sos se fehkey sadon, FEL JOT TOOR! Because NEITHER of you understands the BLOOD, because neither of YOU were there for the CONQUERING. I was there; I flew in the Red Legion, in the World-Eater's phalanx; I dove by his side, cackling flames and fury onto the squirming mountain grubs, melting the thousand Fractal Palaces down around their pointed ears into a satisfying frost-molten morass. I may have begun as a pale wyrm nestling by the Father's pounding heart, but I GREW STRONG in the taazokan! It was I who led the furies in the Polyp Purification, I who devoured the treacherous tonal talkers and strained their peace-poison through my fangs, MY breath that scourged the land where the fahliilod mustered their ice-manes, scourged it so completely that it suppurates even unto this consecutive Hour. I saw the growing arrogance and madness of our attendant worms; I rasped the words that roused the World-Eater; I sent him to Sovngarde to svck the sap from mortal souls!

TIID MORO MAAR! A GLORIOUS TIME! A time of BLOOD! Skulls snapping twixt teeth, oozing ichor and marrow, blood gushing like molten metal, rushing down the gullet, hot, man and mer, naako fahlillod jul, sosahqon denek ahrk staadnau felnax nazh ghar lakr ghrass harrrgghgghgh...

[The dragon trails off into unintelligible rumbles, its enormous maw snapping and frothing with acidic foam.]
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Post » Wed May 02, 2012 3:42 pm

I don't see how someone who made War and Revolution upon Tamriel since the Elves' conquering of it being a dragon or not has anything to do with each other. All it really is is just one big debate on whether you can eat the world into perfection or if coming up with new ideas will achieve perfection. Akatosh believes the former, Doom Drum, the latter. So what if Ysgramor had scales. He still was the one who taught Man the concept of 'Joor.' Of course leave it to man to shout his mortality from atop the highest mountains in defiance of the permanence of reality, the Void-Waters, and Time's servants. Ysgramor fought and killed elves and settled Skyrim. He died, he proved that he was Zahfrul. He may have lived a dragon, but his actions and his death proved that he was Human.
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Post » Wed May 02, 2012 6:03 pm

Nice name, dovah. Who's next? Tahrodiishokoronsuunvaar?
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Post » Wed May 02, 2012 8:23 am

Nice name, dovah. Who's next? Tahrodiishokoronsuunvaar?
Mehemeem’yetthex Aththoommua?
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Post » Wed May 02, 2012 7:58 pm

Mehemeem’yetthex Aththoommua?
How that one would be translated? I personally prefer Sorress’lilargus.

By the way, when are we supposed to hear Ysmaalithax (the Northerly Dragon) talking, dovah?
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Post » Wed May 02, 2012 8:47 pm

So is Atmora. It is also partially still here (frozen), and there was atmorans (500 companions, also some kind of a "warrior wave"), and they also made their way.

Okay, sweeping back to the Ysgramor and Companions thing, let's look at Hasphat's assessment of Ysgramor as a Dragon Priest. I think it's interesting that the few books on the matter in Skyrim paint the Dragon Cult as being mostly a benevolent force before migrating to Tamriel.

I wonder, my previous assessment was that the Dragon Cult were changed retroactively along with Alduin when coming to a land with another Akatosh. While I still think that about the Dragons, I wonder if the Dragon Cult or even Ysgramor himself were somehow made hard and brutal by protracted war with the elves?
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Post » Wed May 02, 2012 5:53 pm

Okay, sweeping back to the Ysgramor and Companions thing, let's look at Hasphat's assessment of Ysgramor as a Dragon Priest. I think it's interesting that the few books on the matter in Skyrim paint the Dragon Cult as being mostly a benevolent force before migrating to Tamriel.

I wonder, my previous assessment was that the Dragon Cult were changed retroactively along with Alduin when coming to a land with another Akatosh. While I still think that about the Dragons, I wonder if the Dragon Cult or even Ysgramor himself were somehow made hard and brutal by protracted war with the elves?

A last measure against the Elves, who with they fought a bitter war; Eight Priests of the Dragon proposed a plan, and the battles were no more.

Ysgramor is written into Auriel by the Dragon Priests, and we get Akatosh. Alduin is the byproduct of such blasphemy. The Dragon Priests began as the good guys who defeated the Aldmeri.
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