The Dragonborn comes. Song.

Post » Wed Dec 14, 2011 10:13 pm

Whoever dislikes this fine lass and her most brilliant interpretation on this song should take arrows on BOTH knees.
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Rhysa Hughes
 
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Post » Thu Dec 15, 2011 10:58 am

Posts have gone away, let's not insult one another's taste or knowledge in or of music. And while we are at it, if you don't like it fine, say so but do so according to our forum rule on constructive criticism. If you don't know that rule, I suggest you read it prior to posting any. And for the sake of this thread we will assume the fan who made this video is a member so no flaming her....only constructive criticism withing our rules. :)

..... Sorry Summer.

Exactly why did my post "go away"?? There was no comment on anyones knowledge of music except MY OWN. It was complete constructive criticism. It wasn't even criticising her, it was criticising the song as it is presented in game. Likewise there was no inflammatory remark/insult whatsoever directed towards JonnyRock...
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Post » Thu Dec 15, 2011 11:22 am

It's not bad at all. It's your opinion though, I just do not get it or agree with it. I think this version is way better than any version I have heard. I think I just appreciate it because I play guitar and sing and I know it's not easy to either of them nevermind doing it together. Nothing bad against you at all I just cannot see how anyone wouldn't love this, but at the same time I understand it's your opinion and I respect that. Hey at least you like it instead of hate it like some people.

You didn't read my post properly.

At no point did I say that HER rendition of the song was bad. I said it was good. Which implies that, as I think the version in Skyrim is bad, her cover is better than the original. Don't get me wrong, it’s the best version of the song I have heard as well, and I appreciate it for that. I'd even go so far as to say it was truly great. The second part of the video, when she isn't singing "The Dragonborn Comes", is undoubtedly excellent.

I can see why so many people do love it. She's obviously having fun with what she is doing, she's taken the time to learn it by ear, her voice is amazing, she does herself absolute credit with the control of her voice in a song which is VERY slow, and I know from my own experience that that is harder to do than a fast song nine times out of ten. All you've got to do with a fast song is get the words right, the song takes care of itself. With a slow song, you've got to make sure it keeps moving forward and doesn't stop, if that makes sense, but without letting it topple away from you out of control.

There's some minor sibilance stuff going on, but that's pretty unnoticeable. In fact, the point I find fault with which renders it as merely good as opposed to "that" good has nothing to with her per se, but is purely technical and it's the same reason why I don't like the piece when it's presented in game. I'm referring to the way that dialog apparently works in Skyrim/Oblivion, where there is a transition between the different parts of the sound files so that the subtitles don't get left behind. It's only really evident in long speeches by NPCs, but it creates an unnaturally long pause in something that's obviously supposed to be one passage.

That has already been criticised about the Bethesda version of this song - where someone commented about the space between verses. It's most evident in the phrase "I tell you the dragonborn comes with a voice wielding power of the ancient nord art", which doesn't make any sense if you sing it as two separate phrases, as she does:

"I tell you, I tell you the dragonborn comes."

"With a voice wielding power of the ancient Nord art."

Does the lyric "With a voice wielding power of the ancient Nord art" stand alone and make sense by itself, with nothing following it and nothing before? If you just saw that one line written on a fragment of paper, would you know what it meant?


Like I said, it's purely technical. The song as it was presented in game was musically incorrect, as the lyrics effectively made no sense. It's less a criticism of her performance given what she had to learn from, and more a criticism of the way Bethesda presented the song. However, the point I criticized still affected her performance.

You can appreciate the difference of the phrasing between the Dragonborn Comes and the main skyrim theme at the end of the video, comparing how she's learned from the recorded dialog vs the recorded choir. The improvement in phrasing improves the overall effect of the song dramatically. If it was the second part by itself, then I would be with you guys saying it's excellent, fantastic, faultless and so on.

Oh and Summer - if you see this post as flaming, I would just like to point out that singing is a performing art that you can never master. The more you learn, the less you realise you know, and the more you have to work on. To that end it doesn't matter if your rendition of a song was absolutely perfect, as, although it's somewhat contradictory to say so, you can always improve. If she truly is a member of this community and a singer then she would appreciate any and all feedback she receives, constructive criticism and praise alike. And as this is saying I like the song, I like her as a person because of the dedication and passion she's put into learning and presenting the song, and I can point out a very specific way that she can improve the song for future performances, it very firmly falls under the umbrella of constructive criticism. :)
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Post » Wed Dec 14, 2011 11:50 pm

It's good...

but it really isn't fantastic. It isn't even 'that' good. She's pretty much just copied the way the bards sing in Skyrim.

And the Skyrim bards are bad.


Wow...just...wow. I swear, some people are real debbie downers. :facepalm:
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Claire Vaux
 
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Post » Thu Dec 15, 2011 1:50 am

Well that was amusing...
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Ashley Tamen
 
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Post » Thu Dec 15, 2011 9:16 am

Nice.
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George PUluse
 
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Post » Thu Dec 15, 2011 6:20 am

I've listened to this many many times, and its a beautiful rendition.. although to be fair I tend to listen to the main theme lyrics more, because the Dragonborn comes is really, a pretty dire attempt at nordic verse, lets be honest. Its a bit like an actor having to make do with a terrible script.

The dragon language is astounding thou... if the full version was done, at the ending credits, it would rate up there with Portal for epic ending songs.
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Post » Wed Dec 14, 2011 10:03 pm

Awesome! Thanks for posting this!. :dance:
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Gill Mackin
 
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Post » Thu Dec 15, 2011 10:21 am

Too much reverb, as others have said, but otherwise very nicely done.
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Post » Thu Dec 15, 2011 1:26 am

She looks way too pleased and satisfied with herself.
Her smile... I... Really really REALLY don't like it.
It burns into my brain. :ahhh:
I managed 30 seconds and then I had to stop the video.

As for her voice, meh, good I guess? But not something I care much about.
I don't like the song, I'm not keen on the lyrics and her voice isn't my cup of tea.

Verdict: I don't think there's anything special about her video.
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Amelia Pritchard
 
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Post » Thu Dec 15, 2011 7:28 am

Terrible song.
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Post » Wed Dec 14, 2011 9:44 pm

You didn't read my post properly.

At no point did I say that HER rendition of the song was bad. I said it was good. Which implies that, as I think the version in Skyrim is bad, her cover is better than the original. Don't get me wrong, it’s the best version of the song I have heard as well, and I appreciate it for that. I'd even go so far as to say it was truly great. The second part of the video, when she isn't singing "The Dragonborn Comes", is undoubtedly excellent.

I can see why so many people do love it. She's obviously having fun with what she is doing, she's taken the time to learn it by ear, her voice is amazing, she does herself absolute credit with the control of her voice in a song which is VERY slow, and I know from my own experience that that is harder to do than a fast song nine times out of ten. All you've got to do with a fast song is get the words right, the song takes care of itself. With a slow song, you've got to make sure it keeps moving forward and doesn't stop, if that makes sense, but without letting it topple away from you out of control.

There's some minor sibilance stuff going on, but that's pretty unnoticeable. In fact, the point I find fault with which renders it as merely good as opposed to "that" good has nothing to with her per se, but is purely technical and it's the same reason why I don't like the piece when it's presented in game. I'm referring to the way that dialog apparently works in Skyrim/Oblivion, where there is a transition between the different parts of the sound files so that the subtitles don't get left behind. It's only really evident in long speeches by NPCs, but it creates an unnaturally long pause in something that's obviously supposed to be one passage.

That has already been criticised about the Bethesda version of this song - where someone commented about the space between verses. It's most evident in the phrase "I tell you the dragonborn comes with a voice wielding power of the ancient nord art", which doesn't make any sense if you sing it as two separate phrases, as she does:

"I tell you, I tell you the dragonborn comes."

"With a voice wielding power of the ancient Nord art."

Does the lyric "With a voice wielding power of the ancient Nord art" stand alone and make sense by itself, with nothing following it and nothing before? If you just saw that one line written on a fragment of paper, would you know what it meant?


Like I said, it's purely technical. The song as it was presented in game was musically incorrect, as the lyrics effectively made no sense. It's less a criticism of her performance given what she had to learn from, and more a criticism of the way Bethesda presented the song. However, the point I criticized still affected her performance.

You can appreciate the difference of the phrasing between the Dragonborn Comes and the main skyrim theme at the end of the video, comparing how she's learned from the recorded dialog vs the recorded choir. The improvement in phrasing improves the overall effect of the song dramatically. If it was the second part by itself, then I would be with you guys saying it's excellent, fantastic, faultless and so on.

Oh and Summer - if you see this post as flaming, I would just like to point out that singing is a performing art that you can never master. The more you learn, the less you realise you know, and the more you have to work on. To that end it doesn't matter if your rendition of a song was absolutely perfect, as, although it's somewhat contradictory to say so, you can always improve. If she truly is a member of this community and a singer then she would appreciate any and all feedback she receives, constructive criticism and praise alike. And as this is saying I like the song, I like her as a person because of the dedication and passion she's put into learning and presenting the song, and I can point out a very specific way that she can improve the song for future performances, it very firmly falls under the umbrella of constructive criticism. :)


This post I totally understand. I get it. It was just last time I saw your other post along with the posts saying it svcked and I took it the wrong way. Sorry. This is not intended for you but to the other people who just say it svcks. The reason why it can't svck is because she took time to play and sing this song, plain and simple I would appreciate anyone attempting this even if it really really svcked because they obviously put heart and time into something. For here to have the courage to do this is good enough for me. I play guitar very well I'd technically speaking but I lack what she has and that's passion and rythm, those are two things I have struggled with for 20 years. I wish I had her spark.
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Post » Thu Dec 15, 2011 6:36 am

I've had this on repeat since yesterday almost non stop. I can only say this one way, it's [censored] beautiful.
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Post » Thu Dec 15, 2011 9:27 am

They need to add this song to their OST.
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Guy Pearce
 
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Post » Thu Dec 15, 2011 2:28 am

They should have hired her to sing the songs...
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Katie Pollard
 
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Post » Thu Dec 15, 2011 12:02 am

Wow...just...wow. I swear, some people are real debbie downers. :facepalm:

Nah, he's just of the school that says, if you go the opposite of what popular belief is, then you're cool. Too bad he's not.
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Tanika O'Connell
 
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Post » Thu Dec 15, 2011 12:18 am

Am I the only one that doesn't like this at all?
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Alba Casas
 
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Post » Thu Dec 15, 2011 6:59 am

Am I the only one that doesn't like this at all?


Ya
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Alexandra Ryan
 
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Post » Thu Dec 15, 2011 9:08 am

so um, is there some way to put this song into your in-game playlist and have it play at random moments? Can just imagine climbing a steep snow covered mountain and this kicks in



Yes. SkyrimNexus has a mod that replaces the original theme song, and a mod that replaces one of the bards singing it, and another mod that adds it to the exploration playlist.
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Post » Thu Dec 15, 2011 11:29 am

"The Dragonborn Comes" is stupid. My friend won't stop singing it and it's getting very annoying!
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Elea Rossi
 
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Post » Wed Dec 14, 2011 8:50 pm

just wow wtf is this amazing voice :)
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Post » Thu Dec 15, 2011 2:08 am

Am I the only one that doesn't like this at all?


Nope, I'm right there with you.
I find this plain and boring.
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Post » Thu Dec 15, 2011 3:44 am

This reminds me of back in February and March when the song seemed amazingly awesome and amazing.


Dovahkiin! Dovahkiin! Naal ok zin los vahriin!
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Sarah Bishop
 
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Post » Wed Dec 14, 2011 9:47 pm

Nope, I'm right there with you.
I find this plain and boring.


The deaf may never hear the beauty of sound but they are not blind to ignorance.
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Jason Rice
 
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Post » Thu Dec 15, 2011 3:28 am

Solid. Considerably better than the bards in the game, maybe beth should feature her on an extended bard dlc. Not sure how they'd do it, but it would be tight.
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