is the Dragonborn immortal? : The Elder Scrolls Series Discussion

» Tue May 08, 2012 2:22 am

is he? because, he has the body of a mortal and the spirit of a dragon and if its a spoiler don't tell

» Tue May 08, 2012 1:34 am

We don't know.We know that he is destiny to restabilish the empire....but about being immortal i'm snot sure.

» Mon May 07, 2012 1:25 pm

Seems unlikely considering that the body is, in fact, mortal.

...for now. The last couple of TES game heroes ended up "immortal" in one way or another. (Neravarine is http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Immortality from the permanent effects of having the corpus disease while the CoC is...whatever the hell you'd consider a Daedric Prince...I guess http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Immortality So I have a slight feeling some future DLC might end up making our Dovahkin last while.

» Mon May 07, 2012 10:57 am

As it stands, he's very much mortal. He could end up doing something that makes him immortal in a DLC, like BeerBarron pointed out, but currently he is a regular person who just happens to be better at dragon-related tasks.

We know that he is destiny to restabilish the empire

No, we don't. People who aren't dragonborn have established Empires, and not all Dragonborn were emperors.

» Mon May 07, 2012 10:36 pm

We don't know.We know that he is destiny to restabilish the empire....but about being immortal i'm snot sure.

As much as I'd like it and despite the Dragonborn PC being way over-qualified to rule Tamriel let alone a backwater jarldom. He/she/it will not play anything but an ancillary role in rebuilding the empire before being forgotten about and shipped to Akavir or some other mysterious province.

Bethesda seriously needs to implement a variation of how Bioware's mass effect player character's identity and actions carry over its sequels.

» Tue May 08, 2012 2:26 am

As it stands, he's very much mortal. He could end up doing something that makes him immortal in a DLC, like BeerBarron pointed out, but currently he is a regular person who just happens to be better at dragon-related tasks.

No, we don't. People who aren't dragonborn have established Empires, and not all Dragonborn were emperors.

Good response Nerevar...good response

» Mon May 07, 2012 2:39 pm

As it stands, he's very much mortal. He could end up doing something that makes him immortal in a DLC, like BeerBarron pointed out, but currently he is a regular person who just happens to be better at dragon-related tasks.

No, we don't. People who aren't dragonborn have established Empires, and not all Dragonborn were emperors.

Good response Nerevar...good response

Brown-noser! I don't respect the above answer because its the typical pro-Bethesda answer.

If the PC of the next game was the child of an emperor, he/she/it would not become emperor.

Heck! If the PC was the emperor, he/she/it wouldn't become emperor.

Why? Because it doesn't jibe with the scrolls...varying six, race, blah blah blah!

A hero can shoot fireballs from fingertips but can't become lord over a cluster of hovels.

But to the topic, the only hero that was explicitly declared immortal was the Nerevarine. Side effects of the Corprus half cure. Took away the madness and deformities but left behind immunity to ageing, disease and emhanced strength and stamina.

» Mon May 07, 2012 2:35 pm

But to the topic, the only hero that was explicitly declared immortal was the Nerevarine. Side effects of the Corprus half cure. Took away the madness and deformities but left behind immunity to ageing, disease and emhanced strength and stamina.

Well, CoC becomes Sheogorath. Exactly how and what that means I'm not sure, but it's strongly hinted that the Sheogorath in Skyrim IS the CoC...just having fully become Sheogorath.

That's....immortality. I think.

» Mon May 07, 2012 3:32 pm

I don't think we'll be seeing an immortal PC this time. Remember dragonrend? We've already taken "Mortal Finite Temporary" into ourselves.

» Mon May 07, 2012 3:38 pm

Well, CoC becomes Sheogorath. Exactly how and what that means I'm not sure, but it's strongly hinted that the Sheogorath in Skyrim IS the CoC...just having fully become Sheogorath.

That's....immortality. I think.

It's more possession. You are being filled with the spirit of Sheogorath so that you become Madness Incarnate. Sure Madness won't let your body wither, but it's not really yours anymore.

» Mon May 07, 2012 9:05 pm

Well, CoC becomes Sheogorath. Exactly how and what that means I'm not sure, but it's strongly hinted that the Sheogorath in Skyrim IS the CoC...just having fully become Sheogorath.

That's....immortality. I think.

No, he is not immortal.But yes is "cursed" by the curse of Shegorath,thus making him immortal.He needs someone to hold the curse for him and then he will be a mortal again.Homever,i don't if it's possible to destroy the curse,since the Deadric Princes created them(only by them).But it seems possible.

» Mon May 07, 2012 2:33 pm

I don't think we'll be seeing an immortal PC this time. Remember dragonrend? We've already taken "Mortal Finite Temporary" into ourselves.

Possibly. Could have just been a coincidence that the last two heroes became that way. I guess if you look back further, you never really find out what happens to the Eternal Champion and assuming that the Warp in the West caused all of the possible endings to happen, and in one of those endings the Hero dies, the Hero of Daggerfall is killed.

I was sort of hoping at the end of Skyrim to

Spoiler

absorb Alduin's soul

to become immortal. I'm still holding out hope...no one likes to think of the heroes they play as dieing.

» Mon May 07, 2012 10:40 pm

Possibly. Could have just been a coincidence that the last two heroes became that way. I guess if you look back further, you never really find out what happens to the Eternal Champion and assuming that the Warp in the West caused all of the possible endings to happen, and one of those endings involved the Warp in the West happened, the Hero of Daggerfall is killed.

I was sort of hoping at the end of Skyrim to

Spoiler

absorb Alduin's soul

to become immortal. I'm still holding out hope...no one likes to think of the heroes they play as dieing.

Let's not forget that the Champion of Cyrodil becamed immortal by holding the curse of Shegorath.There's more than 1 way to become immortal.Even if Dovakhiin not becoming immortal we can expect him to being someone like Duke Nuke/Chuck Norris/Grey Warden from TES:universe.

» Mon May 07, 2012 4:40 pm

Possibly. Could have just been a coincidence that the last two heroes became that way. I guess if you look back further, you never really find out what happens to the Eternal Champion and assuming that the Warp in the West caused all of the possible endings to happen, and one of those endings involved the Warp in the West happened, the Hero of Daggerfall is killed.

I was sort of hoping at the end of Skyrim to

Spoiler

absorb Alduin's soul

to become immortal. I'm still holding out hope...no one likes to think of the heroes they play as dieing.

Speak for yourself. Sovngarde beckons, my dovahkiin cant wait to share a drink with Gormlaith ;D

» Mon May 07, 2012 10:21 am

No, he is not immortal.But yes is "cursed" by the curse of Shegorath,thus making him immortal.He needs someone to hold the curse for him and then he will be a mortal again.Homever,i don't if it's possible to destroy the curse,since the Deadric Princes created them(only by them).But it seems possible.

*Opinion

» Mon May 07, 2012 6:02 pm

*Opinion

Same thing happend to Dagoth UR...So why not the same with the COC ?

» Mon May 07, 2012 6:34 pm

Same thing happend to Dagoth UR...So why not the same with the COC ?

"Why not?" is not enough to call something fact. How is that the same thing that happened to Dagoth-Ur?

» Tue May 08, 2012 12:43 am

Brown-noser! I don't respect the above answer because its the typical pro-Bethesda answer.

If the PC of the next game was the child of an emperor, he/she/it would not become emperor.

Heck! If the PC was the emperor, he/she/it wouldn't become emperor.

Why? Because it doesn't jibe with the scrolls...varying six, race, blah blah blah!

A hero can shoot fireballs from fingertips but can't become lord over a cluster of hovels.

But to the topic, the only hero that was explicitly declared immortal was the Nerevarine. Side effects of the Corprus half cure. Took away the madness and deformities but left behind immunity to ageing, disease and emhanced strength and stamina.

What? Is it not allowed to hail the truth when you see it?

Nerevar told it as it is...what she said is true. Brown nosing on the truth is a good thing....

» Tue May 08, 2012 12:48 am

"Why not?" is not enough to call something fact. How is that the same thing that happened to Dagoth-Ur?

He lost his divinty because the Hearth or Lorkhan was destroyed and Died,as the Tribunal back in morrowind.And so probaly would Champion of Cyrodil,he would die if he lost his divinty.Why he wouldn't get bored of being Shegorath?

» Mon May 07, 2012 5:21 pm

He lost his divinty because the Hearth or Lorkhan was destroyed and Died,as the Tribunal back in morrowind.And so probaly would Champion of Cyrodil,he would die if he lost his divinty.Why he wouldn't get bored of being Shegorath?

Nah.

1. The heart of Lorkhan wasn't destroyed, the enchantments on it were. The heart just pissed off.

2. Dagoth was destroyed when the heart was freed because he was essentially made of heart-power by then, his mortal self died ages ago, the heart was his divine life support machine

3. The Tribunal didn't die due to the loss of their divinity, don't know where you got that.

» Mon May 07, 2012 10:46 am

Dagoth Ur merely used the heart as a divine battery; when the battery ran out, so did his divinity. The CoC grew a divine generator inside of himself, and that's not going to run out of power.

» Mon May 07, 2012 6:37 pm

In addition to the reasons above

The Dragonborn has taken in the words of Dragonrend. Mortal. Finite. Temporary. The greybeards tell you that learning a shout takes in the parts of the shout into your very being as well such that the words have an influence on you when you learn them.

» Mon May 07, 2012 11:25 am

In addition to the reasons above

The Dragonborn has taken in the words of Dragonrend. Mortal. Finite. Temporary. The greybeards tell you that learning a shout takes in the parts of the shout into your very being as well such that the words have an influence on you when you learn them.

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» Mon May 07, 2012 10:22 pm

In addition to the reasons above

The Dragonborn has taken in the words of Dragonrend. Mortal. Finite. Temporary. The greybeards tell you that learning a shout takes in the parts of the shout into your very being as well such that the words have an influence on you when you learn them.

awesome, i love this post. Now i compleatly agree with you,

although whats teh point of the protagonists living forever if they just sit on thier duff after they do the main quest? "Oh i'm the coc, instead of using my awesome daedric powers to save teh empire i'm gonna chill in this crazy dead guys head for twenty five years" Or "i'm that nearvarine thingy, guess i'll just leave all these weird people who sorta worship me as a messiah to go find out if the akavari are really snake men or just men who are snakey. Hope the moon doesn't fall or anything"

» Mon May 07, 2012 12:55 pm

All mortals have an immortal spirit, but a mortal body. The Dragonborn is the same, only with a more powerful soul. Even Tiber Septim died of old age at 108 years. Only divine beings, liches (loopholes ftw), vampires, those infected with corpus, and daedra have immortal (not necessarily invulnerable) bodies.