http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9hJMxw126A#t=3m14s

Watch the grass range as he moves the view down. Not much of a challenge. Running around the world with a small magic ring of grass following you looks awful in my opinion.

I agree with you, i mean people still compare this game to Oblivion wich is 5 years old O.o, why don't you guys compare it with, Red Dead Redemption or The witcher 2 i mean i know you like this game but stop playing ignorant fools and accept what is shown, so pls stop comparing this to 5 + years old games and compare it with new ones like you should, and yes you probably will be disappointed but you need to accept it that the they could have done a better work with not just draw distance but with everything, i mean we waited 5 years and we get mediocre graphics .

The grass, bush and plant plant view distance is really low and we can see that throughout the whole demo. We can see it at the very start of the demo, as several bushes pop-up like 30 meter in front of the player.

Most notable is the short view distance of grass in the tundra scene, where it just... looks plain awful. It's just as bad as it was in Oblivion. I think is what most people, including myself, are disappointed about.

What you mentioned was the view distance of dragons. In most games (including Oblivion), there are seperate view distances for different kinds of objects. Characters/creatures is often seperated as one view distance itself.
It's great that we can see dragons from so far away, and in my opinion I'd say it's also essential unless we want dragons to svck in the game.

In addition, we can also see a few big landscape pop-ups in the demo, kind of like in Oblivion.

We also have to consider that the real purpose and "special thing" of the "new" Creation engine is to "draw everything". It was because of this Bethesda didn't choose the id Tech 5 engine that Rage uses. We should therefore expect the draw distance to be huge for everything, yet we see pretty big flaws as I mentioned.

Other games have done this before on the console, and those games have even had an open world like Skyrim. A good example is Red Dead Redemption, which got much, much bigger view distance for everything (especially grass & bushes) in comparison to Skyrim.

Therefore, I'd say the "draw distance" is pretty disappointing in Skyrim, seeing that the real purpose and "special thing" of the Creation engine is to "draw everything".

Not disappointing in Skyrim AT ALL. Skyrim has about 450% the details RDR had. The Creation Engine IS pushing the consoles to the very limit, and it's noticable. I didn't think things like that we've seen could be implemented in the current generation of consoles.

Besides that, the grass's draw distance is obvious, the grass is now fully 3D, it's not 2D anymore, as stated by Todd Howard himself, it takes lots of resources from the hardware and couldn't be pushed further than that on the consoles. I'm sure that the PCs will have the option to draw the grass's view distance further, maybe even a lot further, don't know.

But once again, with the immense amount of details Skyrim has, they really were able to push the hardware to its limit.

On Red dead redemption you can bushes,grass on the screen like 500 metars away from the char while in skyrim you can see bushes,grass who are max 30 m from the char after that the ground looks flat, so i am sorry that i don't look impress by that consideration read dead is older than skyrim, i mean go to the demo part when he is walking with the giants the only place you can see bushes,grass is where the player is and 30 metars from him, around the castle flat land, around the river flat land, lets hope there will be and option on the pc to toggle that.

Argh, again.... have you no mercy?


Seriously, the draw distances look amazing. Only Just Cause 2 has more amazing ones.

Immense detail, yup... Skyrim absolutely render most things in the history of all video games.

I refer to post #18

JC2 is not nearly as detailed as any ES game in terms of clutter that does not fade and has all it's own physics and quality models.

Therefore, I'd say the "draw distance" is pretty disappointing in Skyrim, seeing that the real purpose and "special thing" of the Creation engine is to "draw everything".

Skyrim absolutely render most things in the history of all video games.

Here we go... only taking about landscape draw distances.

In case you didn't notice, I was praising Skyrim.

Also, what does " it's own physics and quality models" mean? JC2 has both physics and high quality models...

Did you never notice that the bushes are the exact same as each other, just rotated slightly? That's why it's easy to render.

Honestly i don't care how the meaningless bushes look or if they are all different , it just looks more pretty and lively when they are there, on RDR and just cause 2 might every 3rd bush looks the same but at least its still better than flat land , i mean anything is better than a flat brown texture with nothing on it

I'm talking about the random clutter. And I'm giving a reason for why Skryim doesn't have as great as a draw distance as JC 2.

You can see why it's so easy for RDR to render lots of grass.
http://i.imgur.com/YYvJk.jpg

What I found more impressive is that the distant land doesn't look like crap http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/2973/oblivion201006120538249.jpg.

No but the conversation was this:




It's obvious what he meant, which is that it's completely reasonable to compare Skyrim's shot to Oblivion's shot because they are both running on the same piece of hardware, the Xbox 360, meaning that Bethesda has been able to improve the distant land so much without it ruining performance, because Skyrim can still run on the Xbox 360.

You can see why it's so easy for RDR to render lots of grass.
http://i.imgur.com/YYvJk.jpg

The only way I can see Skyrim increasing the grass render distance for consoles is if they add a better LOD system to the grass mesh, instead of just cutting it off have it go down into lower polygon counts, until it becomes billboard planes like Red Dead's grass.